Who's higher on your ATG list, Mayweather or Whitaker?

[Parody]

Uncle Roger was actually a pretty damned good fighter. He won titles in 2 different weight classes and had a quality win over Sammy Serrano. I don't know if he was necessarily better than Judah, but he wasn't far off. He was every bit the puncher though. Judah on his best night beats him.

McGirt was an excellent fighter. He would have beaten both Hatton and Judah on his best night. He beats Judah every time they fight actually. Watch him against Simon Brown if you ever get the chance. High degree of skill and awesome technique.

Your opinion mate, doesn't make anything true. Where is the proof? Oh and Uncle Roger was packing a bigger china than Judah

Like I said all assumptions that will favour the fighter you prefer to win.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Your opinion mate, doesn't make anything true. Where is the proof? Oh and Uncle Roger was packing a bigger china than Judah

Like I said all assumptions that will favour the fighter you prefer to win.

Floyd not unifying isn't an assumption, neither is avoiding practically an entire weight class while being called champion.

[Parody]

Who has said that exactly?

Pea, no contest.

Pernell Whitaker and it's not even close.

Whitaker easy.

Is that enough for you?

Anyways, Will check in this thread tommorow and bring up most stuff relevant to it.

[IMDAZED]

Your opinion mate, doesn't make anything true. Where is the proof? Oh and Uncle Roger was packing a bigger china than Judah

Like I said all assumptions that will favour the fighter you prefer to win.

Come on, dog, he's not here trying to have a pissing contest with you. He's actually putting you on to some sound boxing knowledge that you can go check out yourself and then pass off to someone else.

Look, we all think Floyd is a great fighter. But we don't think he's the greatest. And that means that there were other fighters who were better. Whitaker is one of them. I mean, when you have names like McGirt, Nelson, Chavez, etc. on your ledger (when they were prime or damn near close to it)...yeah man, you gotta give respect where respect is due.

Truthfully, I'm a bigger Floyd fan - have his career collection right here and have been in awe of him since I watched him pick Genaro Hernandez apart at TWENTY-ONE! But he doesn't match up to Pea...not now anyway. Maybe he comes back and does great things but at this point...no.

[warp1432]

How am I putting down Whitaker by saying Mayweather is better? If you dont agree with me then thats your opinion, neither of us are boxing historians. In a few years time we will see ourselves whats what my friend.

I gave Mayweather a slight nod, not like I said by far? I like Mayweather's accomplishments and names better than Whitaker's even though both of them are my favourite fighters, is that a sin? You guy's act like its not close at all, which is insanity.

No it is close, and that was more directed towards Burner and xplosivo anyway. And to be honest it is close (Mayweather's work at 130 is fantastic and I consider him the best at the weight of all time. Even better then Arguello), but just because you like Mayweather's accomplishments better then Whitaker's, doesn't mean he should be ranked higher on the ATG list.

Then again it is technically "your" ATG list

[Vasyl’s dad]

Is that enough for you?

Anyways, Will check in this thread tommorow and bring up most stuff relevant to it.

Thats enough for me, and no, its not that easy. Close, but not a wide margin as has been alluded. Floyd has the chance to be better though, but he knows he can't handle a prime welter. An aged DLH and a smaller Hatton yea, but prime welterweights, forget about it.

[Parody]

No it is close, and that was more directed towards Burner and xplosivo anyway. And to be honest it is close (Mayweather's work at 130 is fantastic and I consider him the best at the weight of all time. Even better then Arguello), but just because you like Mayweather's accomplishments better then Whitaker's, doesn't mean he should be ranked higher on the ATG list.

Then again it is technically "your" ATG list

Fair enough warp, If Mayweather comes back to beat Cotto then whadaya think? You should note one thing historians will only give a fighter credit 20-30 years after he retired and the boxing fans will continue calling that fighter great only after a lengthy period of his retirement, not straight away.

[warp1432]

Its the worst of the worst.

No it's not. It's not even an excuse unless it's DRASTICALLY different (not moving up 1 weight class from the class you are at). Like Pacquiao moving up to fight De La Hoya. That would be an excuse because that is a HUGE size difference.

Fair enough warp, If Mayweather comes back to beat Cotto then whadaya think? You should note one thing historians will only give a fighter credit 20-30 years after he retired and the boxing fans will continue calling that fighter great only after a lengthy period of his retirement, not straight away.

It's defineitly a lot closer, I think I would have Pea at the top just because he was making a lot of title defenses and Pea's win over Chavez and Nelson are better then even Cotto.

I'm not saying Mayweather doesn't have a bad resume (He has a fantastic one), just when it compares to Whitaker, I think you have to place Whitaker over him. Even if it's just 1 spot.

[oldgringo]

Your opinion mate, doesn't make anything true. Where is the proof? Oh and Uncle Roger was packing a bigger china than Judah

Like I said all assumptions that will favour the fighter you prefer to win.

It's opinion, but it's formed on a foundation of knowledge and an understanding of who these guys were. If you watched McGirt perform in his biggest wins you'd understand. He was a level above Judah because of his toughness, great technique and intelligence. The guy truly was a technician in there.

[Steak]

Your opinion mate, doesn't make anything true. Where is the proof? Oh and Uncle Roger was packing a bigger china than Judah

Like I said all assumptions that will favour the fighter you prefer to win.

lol yea, Roger had a terrible chin. but overall I thought he was a better fighter than Judah. Judahs best wins are probebly Witter and Spinks, maybe Corley, while Roger's were Pazienza and Samuel Serrano. I dont know about you, but Roger's wins look better to me. he was a talented fighter with a powerful right hand, but his career was plagued by loses due to his lousy chin.

Judah at or near his best got taken out by Tsyzu in 2...and an old Roger went the distance with him.
...but actually that doesnt really mean anything, so disregard that. haha.