Calzaghe Doesn't Give A **** About Legacy...

[abadger]

for people who like millions of windmill punches and amateur looking boxing calzaghe is your guy no doubt about it. everyone is tailor made for calzaghe anyway since he's the greatest. everyone in their little conventional boxing stances ha! calzaghe laughs at you then destroys you!

See this?

although this is usually about the time the ******s log on so you might reasonably expect the normal ritualised abuse, I don't know if its the end of the school day in America or something....

That was you I was talking about.

[Burner]

Yup. And the reason? British boxer that is actually good.

Bull****.......

He gets credit for beating Pavlik.......too bad hes too delusional to see that.

Pavlik would kill Lacy right now..its not even a close fight....Pavlik and Lacy the only comparsion is that they are boxers...thats it.


Beating a 43 year old Hopkins then a 40 year old Jones...doesnt mean **** and actually makes Calzaghe look worse.

[Kris Silver]

Bull****.......

He gets credit for beating Pavlik.......too bad hes too delusional to see that.

Pavlik would kill Lacy right now..its not even a close fight....Pavlik and Lacy the only comparsion is that they are boxers...thats it.


Beating a 43 year old Hopkins then a 40 year old Jones...doesnt mean **** and actually makes Calzaghe look worse.

Your excuses and predictable critique have been covered already.

I know it's a lot of words for you, but try reading prior pages first before repeating the same cynical garbage.

[Burner]

Your excuses and predictable critique have been covered already.

I know it's a lot of words for you, but try reading prior pages first before repeating the same cynical garbage.

what was garbage about what I posted..how about responding rather then making blanket statements.

[Kris Silver]

what was garbage about what I posted..how about responding rather then making blanket statements.

Ironic, what exactly did you respond to over 4 pages? Nothing that I see. You jumped right to the end of a Calzaghe thread with your usual predictable criticisms, like a child wanting to stamp they're cynical views on they're peers.

Still I'll entertain you. Pavlik canes Lacy right now, well he wouldn't outbox him like Joe did, and even Taylor is considered a close possible fight for Lacy.

Hopkins beat top elite boxers in Tarver and Winky Wright post 40, and is still p4p, so that busts your age excuse in half for one.

Roy just beat a decent younger Tito, pretty well, and isn't nor won't be 40 anytime soon. That's also just 3 opponents of his. Calzaghe is way past prime at 36, and has brittle hands to the point of nearing serious injury during and post fights - hindering him sometimes severely. We don't hear the other side so much, only the vastly exaggerated negative side with made up subjective bits, which per above has been re-balanced.

Simplistic doesn't begin to describe your posts, so there's no point bothering anymore kid.

[abadger]

Bull****.......

He gets credit for beating Pavlik.......too bad hes too delusional to see that.

Pavlik would kill Lacy right now..its not even a close fight....Pavlik and Lacy the only comparsion is that they are boxers...thats it.


Beating a 43 year old Hopkins then a 40 year old Jones...doesnt mean **** and actually makes Calzaghe look worse.

Right, I will try to argue this with you one time. You know I am not dumb so I suggest you don't just dismiss everything I say out of hand.

Yep. Pavlik is better than Lacy no question. However, if you recall, everything that is being said about Pavlik was being said about Jeff Lacy, perhaps even to a greater extent. Same with Mikkel Kessler. Same with B-Hop for that matter.

Now imagine a world in which Joe Calzaghe has just beaten Pavlik pretty easily, as he did with Lacy and Kessler. What is America saying?

Is it saying. "OK, I admit it Calzaghe is pretty good" Or is it saying "Pavlik was a bum, he was slow and couldn't box, Chad Dawson would destroy Calzaghe"?

Be honest with yourself, and imagine the reality.

Now do you see what I'm saying?

I think the reason you don't like Calzaghe is because, basically, he is a Brit fighter. Think about it man. Right now he is Ring Champ at 2 weights, he has an unbeaten pro career. This is a pretty good boxer. yet you just described me saying he was "good" as "bull****".

Thats not a boxing opinion, its just bias. I think you must know this really.

I'm not telling you he is the best ever, an ATG or even P4P #1 right now, I am saying he is the best SMW/ LHW there is right now, not as good as Jones but probably somewhere on the Toney/ Hopkins level.

I know you just had a huge reaction to that and thought "bull****!!!!" but think about it. Go back, look at Toney's resume, look at Hopkin's, ****, look at Jones's if you want. No massive difference. Mostly no-names, a few good ones, a few very good ones, same for all those guys. Maybe one guy has a couple more of the good ones, maybe one guy a couple less, but we aren't talking light years here.

OK, OK, I know you think all three of those US guys have better and are better. OK, what if they are? What does that make Calzaghe? Fourth around that weight class of the modern era behind them? Thats cool with me. That's not a bad fighter, its an excellent one. I'm not going to cry if he doesn't make #1.

Do you see?

[Stickman]

One thing I did notice when looking over Calzaghe's record, and the record of his win....the guys he beat, for the most part, also had very good records. Most had only a loss or two, sometimes a few, several undefeated, many with their own decent record of wins against good opponents. I didn't recognize many of the names, but that's because they're not American fighters, not because they're bums. I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe's record myself. It's impressive in it's own rite.

Another thing I noticed, too.....he went 10 fights before ever making it past the second round, and 21 of his first 22 fights were pretty early KO or TKO endings. Only one was a decision. Another was an 8th round KO, another in the 5th, 2 in the 4th, 1 in the 3rd, all the rest in the 1st or 2nd round.

I don't know if he still ****s like he did then, I really don't, but there is NO ****ing denying that the guy had some serious firepower back then.

[IMDAZED]

Roy just beat a decent younger Tito, pretty well, and isn't nor won't be 40 anytime soon. That's also just 3 opponents of his. Calzaghe is way past prime at 36, and has brittle hands to the point of nearing serious injury during and post fights - hindering him sometimes severely. We don't hear the other side so much, only the vastly exaggerated negative side with made up subjective bits, which per above has been re-balanced.

Simplistic doesn't begin to describe your posts, so there's no point bothering anymore kid.

Look, I give Jones a good shot but what you're saying here is scary. People aren't discussing Calzaghe being past his prime at 36 and having hand injuries because he's undefeated, has beaten the best at 168 and is arguably the best fighter in the world.

Jones, on the other hand, hasn't had a significant win since 2003, has lost three times since, getting knocked out twice. Oh, and Jones has a gazillion more amateur bouts and has fought, what, 11 more times than Calzaghe? Even though he's only a part-time fighter these past few years?

So umm...yeah, can you see perhaps why people don't bring up the age "issues" that you now wanna bring up?

And that was cute how you called Tito a decent, younger boxer. Trying to puff Roy up so that Joe looks better when he wins, eh?

[abadger]

One thing I did notice when looking over Calzaghe's record, and the record of his win....the guys he beat, for the most part, also had very good records. Most had only a loss or two, sometimes a few, several undefeated, many with their own decent record of wins against good opponents. I didn't recognize many of the names, but that's because they're not American fighters, not because they're bums. I don't really have a problem with Calzaghe's record myself. It's impressive in it's own rite.

Another thing I noticed, too.....he went 10 fights before ever making it past the second round, and 21 of his first 22 fights were pretty early KO or TKO endings. Only one was a decision. Another was an 8th round KO, another in the 5th, 2 in the 4th, 1 in the 3rd, all the rest in the 1st or 2nd round.

I don't know if he still ****s like he did then, I really don't, but there is NO ****ing denying that the guy had some serious firepower back then.

You should check out the "Calzaghe's resume: very impressive" thread by Tunney.

Several held world titles before or after facing Joe. Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Sheika were all in the top ten Ring SMWs during Joes reign, Eubank was a great champ, a little faded when Joe faced him but Joe was just a 25 year old contender then...

Really Joe was everything every good champ is during his reign, the only difference being that he was from the UK, not USA, so naturally he faced a fair bit of UK and Euro based oppo like Reid and Woodhall, Veit etc for the simple reason the fights had to be sold in the UK and no-one in America knew who he was. But he did face more US opposition in his defences than any other nation.

His record isn't bad at all, especially when you add what he has since done...

[daggum]

roy jones just beat a prime trinidad!
calzaghe just beat a prime hopkins! NO WAIT DESTROYED A PRIME HOPKINS!
this fight must be made.