UFC VS Boxing (VIDEO)

[KING •]

I wonder though whu UFC attacks only boxing. They could attack judo, kickboxing and wrestling with the same arguments. Fact is if these sports didn't exist, there would be no MMA.

You always go after who is on top...

We have a full mount no MMA...

Give it some elbows to the face it will submit...

[pesticid]

These are good examples, although Gomi wasn't on the Japanese olympic boxing team. I've heard he trains with some very good Japanese pros and does well sparring against them though.

I would also like to add some examples of notable accomplishments MMA fighters have had in other sports.

Mark Hunt-K1 World Grand Prix winner
Ricardo Arona-Undefeated in ADCC (world class submission grappler)
Hidehiko Yoshida-Judo Gold Medalist at the olympics
Fedor Emelianenko-World Combat Sambo champion and high ranking competitor in European Judo competitions
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira-Gold at boxing in the South American Games, Bronze at Pan Ams
Roger Gracie-ADCC Absolute Class winner, finished all fights by submission, and Super heavyweight world BJJ champion, one of the best grapplers in the world
Sergei Kharitonov-Russian Championship boxing silver medalist, was invited to the olympics but chose to participate in Prides 2004 Grand Prix instead
Katsuhiko Nagata and Matt Lindland-Greco-Roman Wrestling Silver Medalists
Dan Henderson-Olympic competitor at Greco-Roman

That just goes to show you that if these guys can make the transition from their "limited" sports so can boxers.

[shadeyfizzle]

That just goes to show you that if these guys can make the transition from their "limited" sports so can boxers.

None of these guys would have survived on the skills from their "limited" sport alone which was the entire message Rogan was trying to send. They had to learn and practice alot of everything.

[pesticid]

None of these guys would have survived on the skills from their "limited" sport alone which was the entire message Rogan was trying to send. They had to learn and practice alot of everything.

That's it, MMA is not a sport, if those other disciplines didn;t exist MMA wouldn;t exist.

I put it this way if you want to watch triatlon in athletics go ahead, I'd rather watch the 100 dash. triatlon at least is a sport. If you want to watch tough men competition go ahead, I'd rather watch olympic weight lifting.

[sunthunder]

That just goes to show you that if these guys can make the transition from their "limited" sports so can boxers.

No doubt, boxers can adapt. But I wouldn't put money on a boxer like Floyd retiring boxing at 30 and hoping to pick up takedown defence and defensive wrestling skills to avoid being taken down, and being very successful in MMA. A guy like Kermit Cintron, who has a background in high school wrestling, and has done decent in boxing, yes, could absolutely be a force. A lot of the most successful MMA fighters actually have excelled in one art, but also dabbled in another aswell, before entering MMA. Fedor, the best heavyweight was excellent at Sambo, but also trained a lot of boxing. Same for Randy Couture, excellent world class wrestler, but trained boxing in the army. Minotauro Nogueira, the UFC heavyweight champ, is mostly known for his jiujitsu and submission skills, but it surprises many to learn he too trained boxing before and after he took up jiujitsu and excelled at it.

In my mind, wrestling is the best base to have going into MMA (in the state the sport is currently in). Being a good wrestler means you can control where the fight takes place, meaning if you face a good striker, you can take them to the ground, put them out of their element, and if you face a good submission fighter, you can keep the fight standing and outstrike them. Some wrestlers have been successful in MMA winning fights just with repeated takedowns (although it's not an exciting spectacle). And having a wrestling base precipitates you picking submission abilities, the sense of balance wrestling gives you aids in picking up aspects of brazillian jiujitsu, such as top control, guard passing and submissions from that position.

Also in my mind, I would personally argue boxing to be one of the bases which is hardest to adapt to MMA. As far as strikers who have had success in MMA, they have usually come from a kickboxing or muay thai background. Boxers coming into MMA don't just have to adapt to the wrestling and submission elements, but also the added tools being used against them on their feet in the form of kicks, knees and elbows. Historically, it has been harder for strikers to adapt in general than grapplers anyway, perhaps because the strikers coming across to MMA are not the very elite (the high level pro boxers) and also because MMA is a sport inhabited by many many high level grapplers, in other words, the fighters most capable of dealing with strikers hoping to make the transition.

I don't want to come across as if I'm trying to denigrate boxing as an art form for the sake of it. This is just my take on how various arts adapt to MMA. Boxing is fantastic, and I have only recently begun to appreciate it and it's intricacies, and if there's one thing that MMA could use, it's for fighters to train with better boxers/boxing coaches.

[DrJohn6]

Joe's an idiot. Boxing is an art. UFC is 3 or 5 rounds. Boxing is 12 great rounds. There's so much more cardio involved. Boxing is also more in the head.

[pesticid]

I like MMA but there is one aspect that I don't appreciate about the sport and I am sure others appreciate it more because of it. In MMA if you start to get beat up on your feet you got a way out, you can try take it to the ground or wrestle and vice-versa. In sports like boxing, wrestling, judo you don't have that.

[sunthunder]

I like MMA but there is one aspect that I don't appreciate about the sport and I am sure others appreciate it more because of it. In MMA if you start to get beat up on your feet you got a way out, you can try take it to the ground or wrestle and vice-versa. In sports like boxing, wrestling, judo you don't have that.

That's an interesting perspective. I'm one of the people who like the sport because of that. One of my favourite fighters, Minotauro Nogueira, he's been in two fights (against Tim Sylvia and Mirko Crocop) where he was getting badly beaten on his feet (Crocop was picking him apart particularly badly). But he manages to get them to the ground, and hits two of the most beautiful submissions to complete an amazing comeback. And they really were beautiful in the way that, they were moments where, really, they were probably Nogueira's only chances at winning those fights. And the poise that he exhibits in catching the armbar against Crocop, and the guillotine choke against Sylvia under such pressure, they were just really great feats of skill, timing and mental toughness.

[pesticid]

That's an interesting perspective. I'm one of the people who like the sport because of that. One of my favourite fighters, Minotauro Nogueira, he's been in two fights (against Tim Sylvia and Mirko Crocop) where he was getting badly beaten on his feet (Crocop was picking him apart particularly badly). But he manages to get them to the ground, and hits two of the most beautiful submissions to complete an amazing comeback. And they really were beautiful in the way that, they were moments where, really, they were probably Nogueira's only chances at winning those fights. And the poise that he exhibits in catching the armbar against Crocop, and the guillotine choke against Sylvia under such pressure, they were just really great feats of skill, timing and mental toughness.

I can understand that. I mean MMA can have some of the craziest turnarounds look at what happened with Brock Lesner and Frank Mir. But I think it's much harder to make a turnaround in a fight like boxing or sports like judo and wrestling cause there is no other discipline that you can turn to.

But I'll tell you smth, right now MMA has the best athlete in all combat sports and his name is George St. Pierre. I am a fan of MMA only cause of exceptional athletes and fighters like GSP, Silva, Emalianenko and Couture.

Just like there are boxing fans who follow the sport only cause of guys like Mayweather and Roy Jones I follow MMA the same way.

[peewee1460]

if mma was really ultimate fighting, they'd be allowed to head but, stomp, gouge eyes and go for the groin.