Kelly Pavlik vs Winky Wright....Who Wins??

[Fox McCloud]

Lowe is doing a great job with Pavlik.....I agree that Pavlik should've gone to the body more, but it dosent matter, he clearly beat Taylor .
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Yeah, but Taylor was DONE after that body shot. It would have made the night much easier, which is what a trainer is supposed to do for his fighter.

[Burner]

Wrights jab will get respect but Winky doesn't have the punching power to make Pavlik be cautious, Pavlik would just keep throwing without having to worry too much about getting hurt.

But the trick is...Pavlik cant throw without worrying about getting hit though....because Winky will light his ass up if he just comes in swinging like Mayorga.

[Silencers]

Okay, that is true, but fighters still are known to stop throwing even when the prospect of getting hurt is not there.

Quintana-Williams I?

Really, Paul's chin is probably the best in the sport (I'm totally serious on this one) and he stopped what he was doing when Quintana landed counters.

You don't get hit and just fire back immediately... no one does. Except Erik Morales, but that guy is just something else.

Quintana was using his legs to move and not let Williams get his feet set to throw his punches, Winky wouldn't do this, he'd be coming forward with his high guard.

But the trick is...Pavlik cant throw without worrying about getting hit though....because Winky will light his ass up if he just comes in swinging like Mayorga.

Goes back to the point of punching power, Winky hasn't faced anyone with Pavlik's power, he wouldn't want to get hit flush by Pavlik so he'd stay in his shell and not open up too much.

[Burner]

Quintana was using his legs to move and not let Williams get his feet set to throw his punches, Winky wouldn't do this, he'd be coming forward with his high guard.



Goes back to the point of punching power, Winky hasn't faced anyone with Pavlik's power, he wouldn't want to get hit flush by Pavlik so he'd stay in his shell and not open up too much.

And lose the fight???

Winkly may have a "technical throwback style"...but when you watch his tapes..he actually comes to fight...

[warp1432]

Okay, that is true, but fighters still are known to stop throwing even when the prospect of getting hurt is not there.

Quintana-Williams I?

Really, Paul's chin is probably the best in the sport (I'm totally serious on this one) and he stopped what he was doing when Quintana landed counters.

You don't get hit and just fire back immediately... no one does. Except Erik Morales, but that guy is just something else.

That and Quintana's movement puzzled the **** out of paul. But yeah, Winky's legs aren't there anymore. Atleast it didn't look like it against Taylor, Quartey, and Hopkins (might have been due to the weight since Winky tired after like round 4).

Which is another question about this fight, Stamina for Winky? Is it there or was it because he was at 170. He wasn't throwing a ****load though. He proved against Quartey he could throw 1000 punches or whatever it was, but that was 2 years ago.

[Silencers]

And lose the fight???

Winkly may have a "technical throwback style"...but when you watch his tapes..he actually comes to fight...

I don't think he'd be throwing too much back honestly, Pavlik would win a decision because of it.

[Burner]

That and Quintana's movement puzzled the **** out of paul. But yeah, Winky's legs aren't there anymore. Atleast it didn't look like it against Taylor, Quartey, and Hopkins (might have been due to the weight since Winky tired after like round 4).

Which is another question about this fight, Stamina for Winky? Is it there or was it because he was at 170. He wasn't throwing a ****load though. He proved against Quartey he could throw 1000 punches or whatever it was, but that was 2 years ago.

I honestly think it was the weight...he had no business at 170 pounds...Winky looks so good at 154..if only he get there....very good at 154.

[deanrw]

I'm going to be bold and predict a late Pavlik KO for two reasons.

1: Winky is just getting old and his legs are shot.

2: Pavlik is a precise hard puncher. Protect your chin and he'll pound on your forehead. It really makes no difference to him. He will take whatever he is offered.

It is not a good fight for Winky at all at this stage. Pavlik is too young and just too mean. Winky was a great fighter, but has showed obvious signs of slipping the past couple years. Pavlik is much larger and on a roll. Pavlik would wear him down and catch him.

[Fox McCloud]

That and Quintana's movement puzzled the **** out of paul. But yeah, Winky's legs aren't there anymore. Atleast it didn't look like it against Taylor, Quartey, and Hopkins (might have been due to the weight since Winky tired after like round 4).

Which is another question about this fight, Stamina for Winky? Is it there or was it because he was at 170. He wasn't throwing a ****load though. He proved against Quartey he could throw 1000 punches or whatever it was, but that was 2 years ago.

On Winky's legs:

The Taylor fight is something I am unsure about. If I thought Wright was doing pretty good in the middle or the ring (a lot better than HBO thought) then Wright obviously felt he was dominating, so... Maybe he didn't move because he felt he didn't need to.

There is no way in hell that he could have done better against Quartey, so the movement wasn't an issue there.

Hopkins was the one moving in the Wright fight, Wright was coming at him. He didn't have the opportunity to show his legs in that one (if he still has them).

I am just unsure about his legs, really. It worries me a lot though.

On Winky's stamina:

He did throw a ton of punches against Quartey, although he was really just doing whatever he wanted, and was probably more relaxed than he ever had been on such a big stage.

I wouldn't look too much into the stamina thing in the Hopkins fight, because it was at 170, but more importantly... who the **** looks like they have a badass workrate against B-Hop? Hopkins is always too far away to hit, or tying you up. You have to throw punches at him when he is coming in for that split second.

I think his stamina is okay.

[Burner]

I'm going to be bold and predict a late Pavlik KO for two reasons.

1: Winky is just getting old and his legs are shot.

2: Pavlik is a precise hard puncher. Protect your chin and he'll pound on your forehead. It really makes no difference to him. He will take whatever he is offered.

It is not a good fight for Winky at all at this stage. Pavlik is too young and just too mean. Winky was a great fighter, but has showed obvious signs of slipping the past couple years. Pavlik is much larger and on a roll. Pavlik would wear him down and catch him.

I think your forgetting how easy Pavlik is to be hit.

But nonetheless...Im leaning 60/40 towards a Winky UD rather then a Pav KO.

But the longer Wink goes without fighting hes only hurting hischances.