[The Coalition Network®] Braver fighter -- Mayweather or Cotto?

[Sin City]

Your story would be more convincing if Floyd had retired after seeing Cotto destroy Margarito in July.

You'd still be wrong, but you would have a more compelling set of circumstantial evidence.

In reality, when Floyd retires as Cotto is preparing for a scheduled fight that he has a good chance of losing, your claim holds not even a drop of water.

You're making the grand assumption that Cotto even gets past Marg.


Floyd could give two ****s about Cotto right now. Not even on his radar.




Scared?

Running?

"*****"?

You wish.

He doesn't want to face either Margarito or Cotto.. that would be a day in hell for Mayweather.
The toughest fight of his life.

run floyd run!

see floyd run..
floyd runs fast..
run floyd run..

[TCN® SOULJAH]

I'm not talking about Floyd's P4P status, I never said that

Neither am I.

I'm talking about his popularity outside the ring.

His celebrity has come from being boxing's best, but his status in the sport of boxing had to be achieved first. And it was achieved through the 2 D's --- Discontent (the discontent of his detractors) and Destruction (the destruction of his opponents).

His status in the sport --- and by extension, his celebrity --- isn't related to conventional "popularity", a la Ricky Hatton...see my point?
It's more a case of anti-popularity.

Really he doesn't deserve P4P status even when he was last active. His last two fights were not even a true challenge for him.

I'll give you Hatton.
That was obviously a payday too good to refuse.

But De La Hoya at jr. middleweight was no true challenge?



Shameful.

[TCN® SOULJAH]

He doesn't want to face either Margarito or Cotto.. that would be a day in hell for Mayweather.
The toughest fight of his life.

run floyd run!

see floyd run..
floyd runs fast..
run floyd run..

I see that your meager well of imagination has run completely dry.



Too bad for your poor girlfriend, who has to sleep around to get anything better than 2 minutes of cold, arhythmic missionary.

[krispy kreme]

Neither am I.






His celebrity has come from being boxing's best, but his status in the sport of boxing had to be achieved first. And it was achieved through the 2 D's --- Discontent (the discontent of his detractors) and Destruction (the destruction of his opponents).

His status in the sport --- and by extension, his celebrity --- isn't related to conventional "popularity", a la Ricky Hatton...see my point?
It's more a case of anti-popularity.

No I disagree, A lot of people outside of boxing did not know who Mayweather was. His connections to the top rappers, the De La Hoya fight (people who never watched boxing a day in their life, were talking about it & ordering it.), dancing with the stars- all of these increased his popularity.

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I'll give you Hatton.
That was obviously a payday too good to refuse.

But De La Hoya at jr. middleweight was no true challenge?



Shameful.

What is shameful? De La Hoya had not fought in months, even more so he had not fought at welterweight in years. Maybe I went to far with "He was not a true challenge", but he sure as hell did not pose the threat of beating Floyd. Same thing with Hatton, two of the biggest paydays, less risk of lose.

[The Gambler1981]

They are equally brave in my eyes so i cant answer. There is no clear cut answer to who is more brave for those who stepped in the squared circle.

Also if a man wants to retire from his job that took up his whole life so far and if he sticks around to long it could take a whole lot more from him, why hold a grude against someone doing what they want to do in thier own life.

[TCN® SOULJAH]

No I disagree, A lot of people outside of boxing did not know who Mayweather was. His connections to the top rappers, the De La Hoya fight (people who never watched boxing a day in their life, were talking about it & ordering it.), dancing with the stars- all of these increased his popularity.

You are missing my point and emboldening it at the same time.

Floyd would never have had his celebrity without being at the very top of the tree at his sport first.
Floyd sought that publicity as promotion for his fights. Interest a broad hip-hop demographic? Sell a few more PPV's. Get on Dancing With The Stars? Sell a few more PPV's.

So Cotto isn't on Dancing With The Stars --- who is saying he should be? What's your point?

What is shameful? De La Hoya had not fought in months, even more so he had not fought at welterweight in years.

Um, let's stop there. First off, Floyd and Oscar didn't fight at welterweight.

[TCN® SOULJAH]

They are equally brave in my eyes so i cant answer. There is no clear cut answer to who is more brave for those who stepped in the squared circle.

Also if a man wants to retire from his job that took up his whole life so far and if he sticks around to long it could take a whole lot more from him, why hold a grude against someone doing what they want to do in thier own life.

Word.

[krispy kreme]

You are missing my point and emboldening it at the same time.

Floyd would never have had his celebrity without being at the very top of the tree at his sport first.
Floyd sought that publicity as promotion for his fights. Interest a broad hip-hop demographic? Sell a few more PPV's. Get on Dancing With The Stars? Sell a few more PPV's.

So Cotto isn't on Dancing With The Stars --- who is saying he should be? What's your point?

My point is that it helped promote his career and he reached a similar status to De La Hoya. That is a point which Cotto won't reach beacuse he doesn't want it.

I am not missing your point, I understand it throughly. Your saying Floyd's status in the sport helped him get popular, therefore he reached a point in which he could do all those things outside boxing and gain popularity for it.

Um, let's stop there. First off, Floyd and Oscar didn't fight at welterweight.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

I meant superwelter, my fault..

[TCN® SOULJAH]

My point is that it helped promote his career and he reached a similar status to De La Hoya. That is a point which Cotto won't reach beacuse he doesn't want it.

I was just contesting the suggestion that his celebrity is based on any conventional "popularity".

Floyd doesn't kiss enough ass to win a popularity consensus, in or outside boxing.

The more you win and the more high-profile your opponents become, the more outside-boxing opportunities will present theyself...if you choose to exploit those opportunities.

If Cotto keeps winning, against bigger and bigger names, he will get the same opportunities Floyd did...whether he chooses to exploit them depends on him.


I still don't see how it relates to what we were talking about?

Unless you were just raising it for the hell of it.

To be honest I don't see Floyd "beating Cotto up" in that ring. I can see him getting a decision victory. It's true Cotto will not reach Mayweather popularity & he never will, because his lack of star interaction outside the ring. But as far as being the best in the sport, that status is up for grabs & he is getting closer to it.

He can be one of the very best in the sport, if he improves.

The title of "The Best" is up for grabs, because Floyd is gone...at least for now...but Cotto is not even 5th in line.


Cotto has to beat Marg, before anything else.

[krispy kreme]

I was just contesting the suggestion that his celebrity is based on any conventional "popularity".

Floyd doesn't kiss enough ass to win a popularity consensus, in or outside boxing.

The more you win and the more high-profile your opponents become, the more outside-boxing opportunities will present theyself...if you choose to exploit those opportunities.

If Cotto keeps winning, against bigger and bigger names, he will get the same opportunities Floyd did...whether he chooses to exploit them depends on him.


I still don't see how it relates to what we were talking about?

Unless you were just raising it for the hell of it.

Bingo!