Wales is the best country for producing boxers per population now.

[Steak]

look at my post..... and this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine%27s_list_of_100_greatest_punchers_of_all_time

it the ring magazine top 100 punchers ever P4P
Wilde is 3rd

yea, your stuff was good, I was still writing that post when you put up yours.

although Im kind of surprised that this Joe Conn fellow was highly regarded when he was 1-4. I know records can be decieving and thats not what you should judge a fighter by, but 1-4? how can it be a good win if the guy got beat by pretty much everyone he faced?

and RING Magazine makes me scratch my head with some of the stuff they say...even that list of top p4p punchers is strange to me, you would think guys like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns would be at least in the top 10 with the kind of punching power they had.
but, since theyve seen this guy fight and I really havent, I guess Ill have to take their word for it.

that Joe Lynch win looks pretty good though, now that Im looking at it. Dont think it would make someone a p4p great, but Ill keep looking into Wilde's career. thanks for the info

[Steak]

look at my post..... and this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine%27s_list_of_100_greatest_punchers_of_all_time

it the ring magazine top 100 punchers ever P4P
Wilde is 3rd

wait a second, what the hell, he lost to Herman. I know its amazing for him to be outweighed by so much and all, but from what Im reading he got pretty beat up. you cant really give him credit for a loss that he wasnt super competitive in.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

yea, your stuff was good, I was still writing that post when you put up yours.

although Im kind of surprised that this Joe Conn fellow was highly regarded when he was 1-4. I know records can be decieving and thats not what you should judge a fighter by, but 1-4? how can it be a good win if the guy got beat by pretty much everyone he faced?

and RING Magazine makes me scratch my head with some of the stuff they say...even that list of top p4p punchers is strange to me, you would think guys like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns would be at least in the top 10 with the kind of punching power they had.
but, since theyve seen this guy fight and I really havent, I guess Ill have to take their word for it.

that Joe Lynch win looks pretty good though, now that Im looking at it. Dont think it would make someone a p4p great, but Ill keep looking into Wilde's career. thanks for the info

Boxrec can be pretty inaccurate with their stats sometimes, especially with the older fighters.

They even have Wildes record wrong...

[Ryn0]

yea, your stuff was good, I was still writing that post when you put up yours.

although Im kind of surprised that this Joe Conn fellow was highly regarded when he was 1-4. I know records can be decieving and thats not what you should judge a fighter by, but 1-4? how can it be a good win if the guy got beat by pretty much everyone he faced?

and RING Magazine makes me scratch my head with some of the stuff they say...even that list of top p4p punchers is strange to me, you would think guys like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns would be at least in the top 10 with the kind of punching power they had.
but, since theyve seen this guy fight and I really havent, I guess Ill have to take their word for it.

that Joe Lynch win looks pretty good though, now that Im looking at it. Dont think it would make someone a p4p great, but Ill keep looking into Wilde's career. thanks for the info

He's not 1-4 lol. Boxrec just don't have his record right. I mean according to Boxrec he lost 19 timse and won only 9 and yet he's in the boxing hall of fame?

[Steak]

Boxrec can be pretty inaccurate with their stats sometimes, especially with the older fighters.

They even have Wildes record wrong...

I can believe that. but I always figured that if they were missing fights, then they were not big fights that didnt matter much...like JCC used to say that he had more wins than his record said, they just werent accounted for. but that never really mattered, because those missing wins were over guys that werent very good anyway...

soo...so far Wilde's best wins=
Joe Conn
Joe Lynch

anyone else I should add to that list? Gimme his top tenish.

[Ryn0]

wait a second, what the hell, he lost to Herman. I know its amazing for him to be outweighed by so much and all, but from what Im reading he got pretty beat up. you cant really give him credit for a loss that he wasnt super competitive in.

Yea but he beat the guy that beat herman ... twice. He last 17 rounds with a guy that outweight him by 20 pounds.

[Clegg]

yea, your stuff was good, I was still writing that post when you put up yours.

although Im kind of surprised that this Joe Conn fellow was highly regarded when he was 1-4. I know records can be decieving and thats not what you should judge a fighter by, but 1-4? how can it be a good win if the guy got beat by pretty much everyone he faced?

and RING Magazine makes me scratch my head with some of the stuff they say...even that list of top p4p punchers is strange to me, you would think guys like Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns would be at least in the top 10 with the kind of punching power they had.
but, since theyve seen this guy fight and I really havent, I guess Ill have to take their word for it.

that Joe Lynch win looks pretty good though, now that Im looking at it. Dont think it would make someone a p4p great, but Ill keep looking into Wilde's career. thanks for the info

Yeah I would have to have Hearns and Jackson in my top 10, and I don't think I'd have Louis that high to be honest.

Another thing worth considering is glove size. The gloves used by Jack Dempsey were smaller than those used by Foreman, so it's hard for me to see Dempsey as the harder puncher. I suppose if we're talking p4p then maybe because Foreman was quite a bit heavier than him. I imagine that Wilde also used smaller gloves than modern fighters?

The thing that surprised me about the videos you posted was that Wilde had a hands down style, and his opponents seemed to as well. I am not too knowledgable on that era but I guess I always assumed that fighters never fought that way back then.

Wilde looked quite good in those videos, but although he was quite fast, the fact is that if you're going to drop your hands so much you need to have lightning reflexes ie. Ali, Hamed, Jones. I don't think Wilde would get away with that style in the modern era.

[Steak]

He's not 1-4 lol. Boxrec just don't have his record right. I mean according to Boxrec he lost 19 timse and won only 9 and yet he's in the boxing hall of fame?

what the hell? haha. why IS he in the HOF then? he never even became a world champ. I know that there werent as many worthless belts as there are today, but I dont understand how boxrec could be missing important, big wins...

speaking of which, is Quarry in the HOF? hes one of those guys that wa really good, but never got his hands on a title. what a lousy era for him to fight in, haha.

[Rkicards]

what the hell? haha. why IS he in the HOF then? he never even became a world champ. I know that there werent as many worthless belts as there are today, but I dont understand how boxrec could be missing important, big wins...

speaking of which, is Quarry in the HOF? hes one of those guys that wa really good, but never got his hands on a title. what a lousy era for him to fight in, haha.

Boxrec = don't believe everything you read on the Internet. They had simple things like Wilde's nationality wrong until last year.

[Steak]

Yeah I would have to have Hearns and Jackson in my top 10, and I don't think I'd have Louis that high to be honest.

Another thing worth considering is glove size. The gloves used by Jack Dempsey were smaller than those used by Foreman, so it's hard for me to see Dempsey as the harder puncher. I suppose if we're talking p4p then maybe because Foreman was quite a bit heavier than him. I imagine that Wilde also used smaller gloves than modern fighters?

The thing that surprised me about the videos you posted was that Wilde had a hands down style, and his opponents seemed to as well. I am not too knowledgable on that era but I guess I always assumed that fighters never fought that way back then.

Wilde looked quite good in those videos, but although he was quite fast, the fact is that if you're going to drop your hands so much you need to have lightning reflexes ie. Ali, Hamed, Jones. I don't think Wilde would get away with that style in the modern era.

I was kind of surprised too about the hands down business. Its ok to do it...there are plenty of fighters who did it...but whats weird is that Wilde didnt seem to use that much head movement and actually still lunged in with punches at times while his hands are down. I dunno, that kind of screams at me that he would get hit with a right hand or left hook while hes doing that, but it never happened.

and I also think Louis was a fantastic puncher. but #1? ehhh...

thats good thinkin about the glove size. The glove size always throws me off when Im doing imaginary 'boxer vs. boxer' matchups in my head if theyre from different eras, because the smaller gloves change the way the fight goes and bigger gloves can slow a boxer down and lessen their power as well. it also hurts stamina, with bigger gloves