The reason for the decline of American heavyweights?

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  • duffgun
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    #91
    Originally posted by Leo Pradun
    face the facts haters american hw's are **** and its not ging to get better anytime soon. The best american hw is tony thompson. The hw division doesnt suck and american hw's havent been anything in this sport since Lennox took over the division. I dont get what was so good abouyt the Tyson days? Tyson faught bums and he just walked all over them. In my opinion the division was the same if not worse in the Tyson days as it is now. Forget about american hw's rulling the division I dont think it will ever happen again
    I don't know i think it was a bit better in tysons day although tyson was in a weak period, he generated excitement and was very skilled something that is missing today.

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      #92
      Originally posted by x-LuKe-x
      I didn't say that, but the fighters you name would find it tough against the people you have pitched them against, because of their sheer size.

      Yes, there IS a lack of talent in America at the moment, but there is also a size advantage that the former soviet fighters hold. The only Americans who are big enough to really compete are not fit enough.
      U must have never been to the u.s then lol caz u talkin out that ass
      Last edited by sycoOG08; 06-05-2008, 04:34 PM. Reason: wrong

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      • VERSION1 (V1)
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        #93
        the main reason is $$$ ex. when we were doing good Most Boxers was making the same or close to it as the best Players from The NBA MLB NFL etc now most NBA NFL MLB player make as much or more then the top Boxers make in a year then they do.

        Boxer A make 10 million per fight now if he good and have a big fan base
        Player A makes 10 million dollars if he good plus more if his team make the playoffs or if he makes a Allstar team its more money Playing other sports then Boxing

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          #94
          Originally posted by VERSION1 (V1)
          the main reason is $$$ ex. when we were doing good Most Boxers was making the same or close to it as the best Players from The NBA MLB NFL etc now most NBA NFL MLB player make as much or more then the top Boxers make in a year then they do.

          Boxer A make 10 million per fight now if he good and have a big fan base
          Player A makes 10 million dollars if he good plus more if his team make the playoffs or if he makes a Allstar team its more money Playing other sports then Boxing
          This is my favorite excuse. You think just because the guys are 200+ lb they can go join MLB/NBA/NFL other than boxing? You're basically saying the NFL players right now would be world champs in boxing if it weren't for money, because all the good boxers are playing other sports right? Like I said, just because you're big doesn't mean you can box.

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            #95
            Kids don't grow up watching boxing anymore and a lot of the big guys who would appear to be great heavyweight prospects have a growth spurt after the time they should already start training. It has nothing to do with conditioning. Are you telling me that a 6'8" 250 pound guy like LeBron James who averages 40+ minutes a game in the NBA couldn't box 12 rounds if he was trained from an early age? Heck, he might have been that next great heavyweight with his power and speed, but I doubt he ever even saw a pair of boxing gloves growing up.

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              #96
              Originally posted by AceNguyen
              Kids don't grow up watching boxing anymore and a lot of the big guys who would appear to be great heavyweight prospects have a growth spurt after the time they should already start training. It has nothing to do with conditioning. Are you telling me that a 6'8" 250 pound guy like LeBron James who averages 40+ minutes a game in the NBA couldn't box 12 rounds if he was trained from an early age? Heck, he might have been that next great heavyweight with his power and speed, but I doubt he ever even saw a pair of boxing gloves growing up.
              You can make that argument for anyone then, if anyone really trained from an early age in a sport they could be really good at it.

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                #97
                Originally posted by ~Ironside
                This is my favorite excuse. You think just because the guys are 200+ lb they can go join MLB/NBA/NFL other than boxing? You're basically saying the NFL players right now would be world champs in boxing if it weren't for money, because all the good boxers are playing other sports right? Like I said, just because you're big doesn't mean you can box.
                no what i'm saying is they make more money in other sports the money is in NBA NFL etc tv snickers company but money in these sports if i go outside right now and ask who the best boxer to ten young kids have of them wont know boxing is not big over here anymore the NBA MLB NFL are so none of these kids want to box when they can make more money

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by ~Ironside
                  You can make that argument for anyone then, if anyone really trained from an early age in a sport they could be really good at it.
                  Instead of going into boxing they going into NBA NFL MLB where they can make much more money. So they start at a young age to go play sports like NBA etc instead of training to be a boxer its all about the money

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by ~Ironside
                    You can make that argument for anyone then, if anyone really trained from an early age in a sport they could be really good at it.
                    Well that's exactly my point, people with the physical gifts for a sport will be great at it if they train at it. Unfortunately, very few of these physically gifted kids are boxing at a young age. I think most parents would rather have their kids play sports in school than go outside to a gym where they have their children get "punched in the head". It's simply not a sport that kids grow up doing. I didn't even know that training to box was a possibility until I was in my late teens and by then I only did it for fun and exercise.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by VERSION1 (V1)
                      no what i'm saying is they make more money in other sports the money is in NBA NFL etc tv snickers company but money in these sports if i go outside right now and ask who the best boxer to ten young kids have of them wont know boxing is not big over here anymore the NBA MLB NFL are so none of these kids want to box when they can make more money
                      Originally posted by AceNguyen
                      Well that's exactly my point, people with the physical gifts for a sport will be great at it if they train at it. Unfortunately, very few of these physically gifted kids are boxing at a young age. I think most parents would rather have their kids play sports in school than go outside to a gym where they have their children get "punched in the head". It's simply not a sport that kids grow up doing. I didn't even know that training to box was a possibility until I was in my late teens and by then I only did it for fun and exercise.
                      But this has always been an issue with boxing. It's not like it has just started now...

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