Comparing Roy Jones jr to floyd Mayweather jr in terms of all around skills

[Live Dog]

well i think the biggest difference in the age, with what wmute is saying.. is that your reflexes definitely show differences between 24 and 34... 24 floyd was BLOOMING prime... and roy was definitely sliding off the mountain... i think the fluctuation in his weight.. at his age... just couldnt handle it

What I'm saying is that you have that first fight to judge how Roy would fair against Tarver at that age. He showed at 34(?) that he could not only be competitive with Tarver but that he could beat him. I'm not sure how long after the second fight took place, but I believe it was the very next fight for both.

[Live Dog]

What I'm saying is that you have that first fight to judge how Roy would fair against Tarver at that age. He showed at 34(?) that he could not only be competitive with Tarver but that he could beat him. I'm not sure how long after the second fight took place, but I believe it was the very next fight for both.

Although maybe I'm shooting myself in the foot here. If the rematch took place right after then I see what you both are saying about age, weight, and recoup time.

[THE REED]

Ruiz fight


8 months later, tarver fight...


If you cant see a serious DIFFERENCE here, an UNHEALTHY difference here... then there is no help for you...

and when i say you.. im sayin that in general, nobody specific...

[wmute]

Reed, for better comparison can you embed a pic of the Woods fight? I dont know how to do that ****.

[THE REED]

Reed, for better comparison can you embed a pic of the Woods fight? I dont know how to do that ****.

how would that be better comparison? of what he looked like before he moved up? if i can even find one

[MWMerlino]

We can answer all of these questions but lets be honest...

More people would rather watch RJJ fight than Mayweather.

What RJJ does in the ring just isn't fully understood by most people. You have to have a good knowledge of the sweet science to see the subtleties in what Jones does. Thats just the truth. Thats why you hear about what Dundee says about Jones, and Leonard about Jones.

RJJ was/is the truth.

[wmute]

how would that be better comparison? of what he looked like before he moved up? if i can even find one

yeah i meant so one could see his 175 body, not his HW body for a more correct comparison, and still see the difference.

cant embed them, but here are the links

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/...s_body_300.jpg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/13954...5397277B4DC33E

THIS ONE HERE PROBABLY THE BEST FOR COMPARISON, cos jones isnt throwing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/..._jones_300.jpg

[Left Hook Tua]

OH, and I wouldn't label Roy as a risky fighter. He was exactly the opposite. He fought guys he knew he could beat and if Ruiz wasn't the title holder Roy would never had attempted it.

i can't agree with that live. i know that's a popular view and in his prime there was times when i thought that.

the problem with roy wasn't taking risk (aside from being scared of a european robbery vs. dariusz but after seoul can you blame him?) it was his negotiation tactics. 60-40 and i'll kick your ass remember? he didn't draw like oscar. that 40 might not have been enough to risk getting embarassed by roy which was more than likely.

floyd's best wins (for me anyway) were corrales , castillo , hatton and de la hoya for the name. i think toney , hopkins , hill , ruiz are much superior. granted floyd is not done and wins over margarito and cotto would enhance his resume but still don't know if he can surpass roy.

think of it after roy beat them , hop became the longest reigning middleweight , hill held a cruiser title , toney held a cruiser title and was competitive at heavy , ruiz regained his heavy titles. a dariusz win would have made roy's resume much more competitive with the other greats. a legacy win worth much more than the money he would have made imo.

[THE REED]

yeah i meant so one could see his 175 body, not his HW body for a more correct comparison, and still see the difference.

cant embed them, but here are the links

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/...s_body_300.jpg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/13954...5397277B4DC33E

THIS ONE HERE PROBABLY THE BEST FOR COMPARISON, cos jones isnt throwing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/..._jones_300.jpg

to imbed pics... when you click reply... above the white area you type in... is a little yellow square button that looks like theres a mountain in it... click that, youll get a popup box... paste the URL in their.....

remember the box starts with http://

so if you alredy pasted the whole URL, be sure to delete whats in the pop up box first...

[wmute]

We can answer all of these questions but lets be honest...

More people would rather watch RJJ fight than Mayweather.

What RJJ does in the ring just isn't fully understood by most people. You have to have a good knowledge of the sweet science to see the subtleties in what Jones does. Thats just the truth. Thats why you hear about what Dundee says about Jones, and Leonard about Jones.

RJJ was/is the truth.

Neither what Mayweather does is fully understood by most people... For example the way his positioning in the ring and his stance have a ”negative“ effect on the other fighter throwing, by reducing his opportunities might be boring, but it is great stuff if you understand it.