Mosley's Ex-Coach Claims He Doped For De La Hoya Bout

[Horus]

They were granted immunity from prosecution for usage. That immunity does not cover perjury. No immunity protection ever covers perjury. Jones was charged with perjury and bank fraud. With the wealth of evidence against her, she copped a plea. I could see Mosley doing the same down the line...it wouldn't surprise me. Otherwise, he's almost certainly going to be tried for perjury.

Educating detractors of fighters that they dont like.
them on the matters on law,business management, and Historical precedences does not follow well with them.

But you are doing a great job trying....

[Ray*]

If they were given immunity, then the government is betraying their legal agreement. Mosely has lawyers too, probably far better than the government's. And any immunity agreement would have been carefully vetted.

Jones in in jail because she admitted that she took the drugs KNOWINGLY, so she was convicted of perjury. At least I think so- Im sure you'll correct me if wrong.

Wrong!!! Jones denied ever using steriod (undetectable) and lied to about it when she gave evidence. THATS one of the reason whe went to jail.

[edgarg]

Have you not been following the BALCO case? The athletes were given immunity, Mosley was one of those people. Widespread lies by athletes led to somewhat underwhelming sentences for the distributors like Victor Conte. So, the government went after their suppliers and made much more significant seizures.

Now, the government is going back to the athletes who were given immunity for usage (because like you said that's not really that big of a deal) and nailing them over lying to investigators because that actually did hurt the government's case against the distributors.

So, it's not spite or an effort to portray Mosley, Barry Bonds or Marion Jones as drug barons. It's the adverse effect their equivocal testimony had on the government's case against Conte that is coming back to bite them. Think Scooter Libby in the Valerie Plame CIA leak case...that's where Mosley is right now.

Now I'm getting confused. You say that the government caught Victor Conte as a DISTRIBUTOR, and because they were forced to give him a negligible sentence they decided to go after the SUPPLIERS, who are ( I assume) BALCO, of which Conte is the PRESIDENT. NOW they're going to betray their immunity agreements and go after the athletes they's convinced to testify....??

This sounds like a shoddy shystering action not fitting for the US government, and highly unlikely to succeed........unless the athletes concerned confess.......AND there was a stipulation that the immunity was only given PROVIDED that the athletes concerned took the drug not knowing that it was illegal.

So, if the government wants to winkle out perjuring athletes, THIS may be part of the reason that Conte and Hudson are accusing Mosely, perhaps to get better prison treatment.....especially Conte who, as BALCO President, must be facing more charges-along with other BALCO executives??

By the term "supplier" do you also mean manufacturer??

As for my following the matter closely, I have only what information published in the various boxing sites;there's nothing in the newspapers about all this in the part of Canada where I live.

[edgarg]

They were granted immunity from prosecution for usage. That immunity does not cover perjury. No immunity protection ever covers perjury. Jones was charged with perjury and bank fraud. With the wealth of evidence against her, she copped a plea. I could see Mosley doing the same down the line...it wouldn't surprise me. Otherwise, he's almost certainly going to be tried for perjury.

Surely my letter pointed out the matter of perjury in the case of Jones who admitted that she perjured herself. Mosely hasn't. So far, from what I read, the kind of evidence that was against Jones is not present in the Mosely case. Of course it may surface. We can only wait and see. I'd assume that if the government proceeds against Mosely, they would have the evidence.

I get the feeling that you don't read my letters properly.

[PRboxingfan]

All these are allegations that requires proof. So unless proven guilty, mosley must be presumed innocent.

This comes from the guy who provided them as well as from his trainer, both testifying that they told him what it was BEFORE he used them and he chose to use them anyway. That, in my book, makes him guilty, even if it isn't proven in a court of law (the court of public opinion has already decided).

[javelin_fangs]

Now I'm getting confused. You say that the government caught Victor Conte as a DISTRIBUTOR, and because they were forced to give him a negligible sentence they decided to go after the SUPPLIERS, who are ( I assume) BALCO, of which Conte is the PRESIDENT. NOW they're going to betray their immunity agreements and go after the athletes they's convinced to testify....??

This sounds like a shoddy shystering action not fitting for the US government, and highly unlikely to succeed........unless the athletes concerned confess.......AND there was a stipulation that the immunity was only given PROVIDED that the athletes concerned took the drug not knowing that it was illegal.

So, if the government wants to winkle out perjuring athletes, THIS may be part of the reason that Conte and Hudson are accusing Mosely, perhaps to get better prison treatment.....especially Conte who, as BALCO President, must be facing more charges-along with other BALCO executives??

By the term "supplier" do you also mean manufacturer??

As for my following the matter closely, I have only what information published in the various boxing sites;there's nothing in the newspapers about all this in the part of Canada where I live.

Dude Conte didn't make the **** all by himself. Have you not heard of all the steroid busts going on around the country. This is not isolated to boxing. But yes the manufacturers were the next group to go down. BALCO's people are already out of prison and have been out for some time. All of this is readily available on the internet. The BALCO case got a lot of coverage.

The government is not betraying their immunity agreement. The government does not grant immunity for perjury. It will never grant immunity for perjury. If Mosley perjured himself then he's an idiot. All he had to do was tell the truth. The government appears to be building a perjury case against Mosley. That's standard procedure and not only legal, but righteous. I don't see where your beef with the government's actions in this case are coming from.

[javelin_fangs]

Surely my letter pointed out the matter of perjury in the case of Jones who admitted that she perjured herself. Mosely hasn't. So far, from what I read, the kind of evidence that was against Jones is not present in the Mosely case. Of course it may surface. We can only wait and see. I'd assume that if the government proceeds against Mosely, they would have the evidence.

I get the feeling that you don't read my letters properly.

Maybe I don't read them properly because from where I'm sitting it seems as though you believe there is a dearth of evidence against Mosley and that the government is somehow betraying an immunity agreement it made with him. I'm telling you that's not the case. They have virtually the same evidence that they had against Jones. Almost everything matches to a t. Same supplier, same schedules, same product, same alibi. Different trainer though. Otherwise, mostly the same.

[Ray*]

Dude Conte didn't make the **** all by himself. Have you not heard of all the steroid busts going on around the country. This is not isolated to boxing. But yes the manufacturers were the next group to go down. BALCO's people are already out of prison and have been out for some time. All of this is readily available on the internet. The BALCO case got a lot of coverage.

The government is not betraying their immunity agreement. The government does not grant immunity for perjury. It will never grant immunity for perjury. If Mosley perjured himself then he's an idiot. All he had to do was tell the truth. The government appears to be building a perjury case against Mosley. That's standard procedure and not only legal, but righteous. I don't see where your beef with the government's actions in this case are coming from.

Just like they did Marion Jones ,Trevor graham etc.. I bet they're just building there case and next thing we going to hear would be Mosley is being charged with Perjury.

[ben41193]

This is tragic lol, Shane mosley is a awsome fighter, I hope to god this isnt true

[edgarg]

Educating detractors of fighters that they dont like.
them on the matters on law,business management, and Historical precedences does not follow well with them.

But you are doing a great job trying....

HORUS, that letter was for me, in response to my lettet. It's NOT a reply to anything of mine critical of any boxer-specifically Mosely- that I don't like. I have nothing at all against Mosely. Why should I? We are not acquainted........

It's purely a discussion on points of evidence, law and probability. And, for the record, until and unless I see something substantial as credible evidence against Mosely, that CAN'T be explained away, I accept what he says.

I have years of legal experience, which is why this matter interests me. Although I'm not familiar with specific US laws much Common Law is part of the English speaking countries' Jurisprudence.