Marciano vs Holifield

[slicksouthpaw16]

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[Boogie Nights]

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[slicksouthpaw16]

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[TheGreatA]

I think the fight would be more interesting at 190 lbs, cruiserweight Holyfield against heavyweight Marciano.


Marciano overwhelming Ezzard Charles


Marciano vs Archie Moore


Holyfield HL


Holyfield vs DeLeon

[Thunder Lips]

"you talk how evander later on put muscle, and it's true he did. but just because he maintained a weight of 175-190 pounds before moving up doesnt make him a smaller guy. rocky even at 178-180 pounds (his average weight) was very small. holyfield's body structure had much more developed muscle with thicker mass. his conditioning coach at that time was a former bodybuilder, evander did a lot of weight training and exercises that most bodybuilders perform."

Marciano's inshape baseball weight was 210, he cut even more when he took boxing seriously because he became paranoid about his stamina. He had the punching power of a natural heavy despite his best fighting weight being between 185-188 or so(178-180 WTF? he only had four fights in that range). Rocky carried very little muscle mass at even 190, he was actually very slim and did no weight lifting. He was always cutting weight while Holyfield trained to put weight on as a heavy.

Holyfield added bulk over the years with his best weight being between 200-210 as a heavy. Holyfield clearly struggled while over 210 and was obviously carrying too much muscle mass though he did get his most famous win over Tyson he looked lethargic and shot in every other fight after that and leading up to it. As a a light heavy he was actually around Rocky's weight on a taller sculpted frame if not often lighter over a course of 5 years.

Despite different and sometimes similar fight weights, Marciano was the natural stronger heavy. Clearly, Holyfield was taller with a longer reach. Your pictures mean nothing since you posted Holyfield at his very heaviest on his physical decline.

[danny stash]

I think Holy would win by a late stoppage due to a Marciano cut...

[Boogie Nights]

"you talk how evander later on put muscle, and it's true he did. but just because he maintained a weight of 175-190 pounds before moving up doesnt make him a smaller guy. rocky even at 178-180 pounds (his average weight) was very small. holyfield's body structure had much more developed muscle with thicker mass. his conditioning coach at that time was a former bodybuilder, evander did a lot of weight training and exercises that most bodybuilders perform."

Marciano's inshape baseball weight was 210, he cut even more when he took boxing seriously because he became paranoid about his stamina. He had the punching power of a natural heavy despite his best fighting weight being between 185-188 or so(178-180 WTF? he only had four fights in that range). Rocky carried very little muscle mass at even 190, he was actually very slim.

Holyfield added bulk over the years with his best weight being between 200-210 as a heavy. Holyfield clearly struggled while over 210 and was obviously carrying too much muscle mass though he did get his most famous win over Tyson he looked lethargic and shot in every other fight after that and leading up to it. As a a light heavy he was actually around Rocky's weight on a taller sculpted frame if not often lighter over a course of 5 years.

Despite different and sometimes similar fight weights, Marciano was the natural stronger heavy. Clearly, Holyfield was taller with a longer reach. Your pictures mean nothing since you posted Holyfield at his very heaviest on his physical decline.

marciano was never in shape at 210 pounds. i dont know where you heard that, im not going to be biased, i dont know what his weight was when he playing baseball. i go by what he said, and he said he was out of shape and overweight at a weight above 200 pounds. and he was disgusted with himself and cut out all the eating and smoking for boxing. even if he was in shape at 210 pounds he didnt need to cut weight. if he was comfortable enough in other sports than he should have been there at that weight in the first place. you find me proof with pictures, or a legitimate link and ill agree with you. Rocky played baseball in high school and in his pictures he looked nowhere near 210 pounds. he did admit he was in that range when he came back after the army and got a wake up call in his first amateur fight. sorry dude, but he was never in shape at that weight

criticise evander about his weight all you want. He had 3 fights with Bowe, winning one. he went 24 rounds with lennox lewis, he beat tyson twice, and he also knocked down and beat Ray Mercer at his peak, who never been down, and was a pretty damn good heavyweight. i doubt marciano could do all that despite as you say him being stronger.

Holyfield was clearly the bigger man, and while he may not have been the greatest of all time, he fought and beat bigger and stronger men who also were very good fighters.

[Thunder Lips]

"I have never seen a prime Evander fade. Dwight Qawi applied lots of pressure on a green Holyfield at cruiserweight for 15 rounds, yet Evander defeated the former light heavyweight and current cruiserweight champion and out brawled him at times as well."

Ok, if were talking light heavy Holyfield than he had better stamina, even if he still had criticisms than.

Prime heavy Holyfield faded against Bowe in all three fights. He also got badly fatigued against Cooper though he had the short notice excuse. Holyfield also got spent after his biggest barrage against Foreman mid way through their fight. He didn't have bad stamina but he couldn't keep up Rocky's workrate over 200 lbs and I suspect even at cruiser.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YjFCo-cy15U

Holyfield struggling to close out his fight with an out of shape Bowe in their second fight, his best performance against him by most accounts. They even had a break after the fan man.


"Walcott and Moore both floored Rocky with short counter punches and a short counter right hand is what set up the knockout against Tyson."

I think maybe he would have some early sucess like Walcott, Moore, and Matthews but over the course of a fight it wouldn't work. Unlike Tyson did against Holyfield, Rocky mixed up his attacks and never stopped coming strong and Holyfield's style of laying on the inside and waiting for counters would result in him eating tons of punishment against a strong volume puncher like Rocky.

" This video shows that Marciano was vulnerable to a colmplete arsenal of punches."

Try posting the whole available fight like I did. Rocky got surprised early in his first title fight but regained his composure and gradually took control of the fight.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nJJZDMi_RZA

Marciano's best performance in the LaStarza rematch. LaStarza a was faster and more elusive counter puncher than Holyfield. He was also reachier and just as heavy as 185-190 cruiser Holyfield. Of course, Rocky would gradually break him down and become the first fighter to stop him. LaStarza would later comment how hard it was to catch Rocky coming in.

The Walcott fight was Rocky's first title fight and he got surprised in the first round. The Moore fight was at the end of Rocky's career while he was chronically injured and coming off a long layoff, including one of his worst performances against ****ell. Moore still had trouble finding him consistently and later got overwhelmed in a 80 punch buzzsaw.

[Ben_London.]

Holyfield on head-butts.

[Boogie Nights]

to compare la starza to holyfield is borderline redicilous. How the hell did evander fade in all 3 bowe fights? in the first bowe fight he showed clearly what a warrior he is, exchanging with bowe for full 12 rounds despite giving out 3 inches in height and 30 pounds. the second fight he won, the third fight he did fade but he also knocked bowe down and he had health problems

in the foreman fight he was very busy and boxed beautifully, you're being very picky with some of the rounds dismissing that holyfield totally dominated that fight with his boxing

in the cooper fight he only struggled for the first couple of rounds then he dominated. and yes cooper did come in as a late replacement with a totally different style than holyfield was training for in the first place. as soon as holyfield adjusted it became his fight

whatever man, you posts show me that you dislike holy and being extremely biased. bottom line evander fought and beat much bigger and stronger fighters than rocky did.