Is Calzaghe a Top 25 Fighter in the last 30 Years?

[Easy-E]

Eh.
Maybe.
If so, hes #25.

[Xplosivo]

No, you've had it explained to you several times before and you just ignore it because all you're interested in is posting anti-Calzaghe stuff.

Let's look at some previous exchanges:

"Foreman has been better than Calzaghe is the past 30 years"
"He only has one good win, which is when KO'd china-chinned Moorer"
"What about beating Joe Frazier?"
"That was more than 30 years ago"
"Biased Brit"

"Eubank was shot to pieces against Calzaghe"
"What Eubank fights have you actually seen?"
"..."

"Eubank gave Calzaghe the hardest fight of his life"
"Have you seen the fight?"
"..."
"Have you seen the fight?"
"..."

"You are a Calzaghe nuthugger"
"Actually I've made several criticisms of Calzaghe, here are the posts in which I did so"
"Yeah well Calzaghe's balls are in front of your face"

You've been wrong about 50 times so far. Have you ever changed your mind on a single issue? Do you actually accept that you have been wrong about some things? It doesn't seem so, based upon the fact taht you keep repeating yourself over and over, even when proven wrong everytime.

you havent proved **** yet, go and make a thread about who was achieved more in the last 30 years, george foreman or joe calzaghe, you will find three people on this board that will agree with you.

you pretend that your not a calzaghe fan but you clearly have an agenda here trying to act neutral when in fact your are a calzaghe nuthugger, you voted for a past prime eubank being a bigger win than an undefeated, prime ricky hatton who is the ring champ at 140 and two weight champion, and was ranked No 7 in the P4P Rankings.

[abadger]

you havent proved **** yet, go and make a thread about who was achieved more in the last 30 years, george foreman or joe calzaghe, you will find three people on this board that will agree with you.

you pretend that your not a calzaghe fan but you clearly have an agenda here trying to act neutral when in fact your are a calzaghe nuthugger, you voted for a past prime eubank being a bigger win than an undefeated, prime ricky hatton who is the ring champ at 140 and two weight champion, and was ranked No 7 in the P4P Rankings.

Xplosivo, Clegg owned you. Accept it. Move on. Kill yourself.

[Xplosivo]

"Last time around I fought Calzaghe as the challenger. If he watches the tape often enough like I do, he will see that I beat him."

- Robin Reid




http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3222465.stm

[Clegg]

you havent proved **** yet, go and make a thread about who was achieved more in the last 30 years, george foreman or joe calzaghe, you will find three people on this board that will agree with you..

I doubt it, but even if the majority did disagree with me, so what? I've seen Foreman get dominated by Holyfield and even Tommy Morrisson. I've seen Moorer outbox Foreman until his chin let him down(which it did after about 10 second against Tua, maybe he should be in your list?) and I've seen him fail to win any other meaningful fight in the past 30 years. Foreman was fat, slow and old. His achievement gets a lot of attention because it was a great feat for a 45 year old, and Foreman was already world famous because of his earlier fights, but if a random 25 year old had the same post '78 record as Foreman, he would not be in your list or anyone elses.

you pretend that your not a calzaghe fan but you clearly have an agenda here trying to act neutral when in fact your are a calzaghe nuthugger.

I like Calzaghe and I hope he wins his future fight(s). But I've also criticised him several times in the past, and have stated that I don't rate him as highly as I rate Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins or Mike McCallum. There is a big difference between a fan and a nuthugger. I like JC, but I thought he was very poor against Hopkins. I like Pac but I think JMM deserved the decision last time out. I like Hatton, but I don't think he's top 20 p4p. I like Roy Jones, but I don't give him a free pass for his defeats. I like Cintron but his flaws are as obvious to me as they are everyone else. I don't nuthug anyone. Calzaghe has flaws and I admit them just like I admit the flaws of every other fighter I like.

you voted for a past prime eubank being a bigger win than an undefeated, prime ricky hatton who is the ring champ at 140 and two weight champion, and was ranked No 7 in the P4P Rankings.

I think that Eubank was a better fighter than Hatton. I believe that Eubank's best wins are better than Hatton's best wins.

Calzaghe was young and inexperienced. Floyd was at his peak and Hatton was stepping up to a weight that was not his best. This is balanced out by the fact that Eubank was in his 30s whereas Hatton was young and hungry. It's close, but I think the win over Eubank was more of an achievement.

However I can see how someone could disagree with that. Unlike you I take it on board when people disagree with me and I openly admit there are big gaps in my boxing knowledge and that I have been wrong in the past and will be again in the future. But I believe that I know the careers and performances of Hatton, Calzaghe and Eubank well enough to discuss it with anyone.

You will not say whether or not you have seen the Eubank-Calzaghe fight. Unless you have seen it, how can you comment?

You will not say how many Eubank fights you've seen. Unless you saw him in his prime, how can you possibly say he was shot against Calzaghe? Unless you saw him before the 2nd fight with Watson, how can you say that fight ruined Eubank? A lot of people say that it did, but unless you've seen it with your own eyes, how can you state it as fact?

Like I said, there are gaps in my knowledge. That's why I didn't vote in the poll, because there are too many fighters that I am not that familiar with. Perhaps you too should stay out of discussions where you lack knowledge, such as Eubank vs Calzaghe.

[Clegg]

"Last time around I fought Calzaghe as the challenger. If he watches the tape often enough like I do, he will see that I beat him."

- Robin Reid




http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3222465.stm

Hold on a minute...you're saying that a fighter who lost by split decison thinks that he deserved to win? No way...that never happens in boxing...

Time for me to ask the same question again...have you actually seen the fight?

[Xplosivo]

I doubt it, but even if the majority did disagree with me, so what? I've seen Foreman get dominated by Holyfield and even Tommy Morrisson. I've seen Moorer outbox Foreman until his chin let him down(which it did after about 10 second against Tua, maybe he should be in your list?) and I've seen him fail to win any other meaningful fight in the past 30 years. Foreman was fat, slow and old. His achievement gets a lot of attention because it was a great feat for a 45 year old, and Foreman was already world famous because of his earlier fights, but if a random 25 year old had the same post '78 record as Foreman, he would not be in your list or anyone elses.



I like Calzaghe and I hope he wins his future fight(s). But I've also criticised him several times in the past, and have stated that I don't rate him as highly as I rate Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins or Mike McCallum. There is a big difference between a fan and a nuthugger. I like JC, but I thought he was very poor against Hopkins. I like Pac but I think JMM deserved the decision last time out. I like Hatton, but I don't think he's top 20 p4p. I like Roy Jones, but I don't give him a free pass for his defeats. I like Cintron but his flaws are as obvious to me as they are everyone else. I don't nuthug anyone. Calzaghe has flaws and I admit them just like I admit the flaws of every other fighter I like.



I think that Eubank was a better fighter than Hatton. I believe that Eubank's best wins are better than Hatton's best wins.

Calzaghe was young and inexperienced. Floyd was at his peak and Hatton was stepping up to a weight that was not his best. This is balanced out by the fact that Eubank was in his 30s whereas Hatton was young and hungry. It's close, but I think the win over Eubank was more of an achievement.

However I can see how someone could disagree with that. Unlike you I take it on board when people disagree with me and I openly admit there are big gaps in my boxing knowledge and that I have been wrong in the past and will be again in the future. But I believe that I know the careers and performances of Hatton, Calzaghe and Eubank well enough to discuss it with anyone.

You will not say whether or not you have seen the Eubank-Calzaghe fight. Unless you have seen it, how can you comment?

You will not say how many Eubank fights you've seen. Unless you saw him in his prime, how can you possibly say he was shot against Calzaghe? Unless you saw him before the 2nd fight with Watson, how can you say that fight ruined Eubank? A lot of people say that it did, but unless you've seen it with your own eyes, how can you state it as fact?

Like I said, there are gaps in my knowledge. That's why I didn't vote in the poll, because there are too many fighters that I am not that familiar with. Perhaps you too should stay out of discussions where you lack knowledge, such as Eubank vs Calzaghe.

I will continue this debate with you tommorow, atleast I see one Calzaghe fan who argues properly the rest of them never answer my question when I ask name three great fighter calzaghe beat in their prime, because they know there simply arent any. they come up with calling me names and getting emotionally upset because the truth hurts them, show a bit of tolerance calslappy fans instead of calling others "hater" or "jealous"...I will reply tommorow with a sensible debate since your a sensible fan. P.S Calzaghe lost the Reid fight, even -LuKe- who is the biggest calzaghe nuthugger here admitted calzaghe lost, I had to watch it my self, and after watching it 10 times, I scored it for Reid 10 out of 10 times.

[Xplosivo]

Hold on a minute...you're saying that a fighter who lost by split decison thinks that he deserved to win? No way...that never happens in boxing...

Time for me to ask the same question again...have you actually seen the fight?

How many rounds did you score for Reid? Please let me know which ones you scored for him, cheers.

I'm uploading the fight on youtube so people who havent watched it (mostly americans) can watch calzaghe's first loss

[robjr]

I like Joe.. but in past 30 yrs .. no..

yes the accomplishments sound good on paper... but for real... NO.. not top 25 in past 30 yrs.. he just isnt.

[th4l3pr3ch4un]

is xplosivo still making calzaghe hate threads? man that poor little guy needs a friend...