Is Calzaghe a Top 25 Fighter in the last 30 Years?

[bsrizpac]

Words cannot describe. You admitted you may not know much about some of those fighters. Therefore you can't back up or justify your opinion, so it's not credible.

If your in a court of law you don't vote guilty and justify it as, well I don't know why or much about it, I just reckon.

Now I'm not saying this is anywhere near as serious of course. But the point is, if you don't know your not equipped vote and judge.

With all due respect I'd read back some of the comments of the previous pages because it's quite worrying.

I'll say no. And it's because I Do know about these boxers.

[Clegg]

Tszyu:
- undisputed LWW champ
- great KO of Judah
- much more of a solid resume than Joe

now can you explain why you would rate Joe higher? you keep critising my list when i say its not perfect, yet you do not make your own...

You stated an opinion. I asked you to justify it, and you say "why do you disagree"?

Let's look at your points. I'll take point 3 first, because it's so ******.

I ask you why Tszyu has a better resume, and the evidence you offer is "much more of a solid resume than Joe". It's as logical as saying "it is because it is". ******, really really ******.

Anyway

- undisputed LWW champ

Tszyu was undisputed and held 3 belts at LWW. Calzaghe was undisputed and also held a fourth at a different point in time. So on this point, Calzaghe CLEARLY wins. And that's before we factor in his trip to 175.

- great KO of Judah

The KO doesn't matter. Foreman had great KO wins over Frazier. Ali beat him by decision. Who was the better fighter?

Judah was a good fighter, and it's a very good win. However I think that the win over Hopkins is worth more. It wasn't as convincing, but it was over a far better opponent.

Even if you give the Judah win a slight edge, Calzaghe is often criticised for fighting B/C level guys. Well, Tszyu lost to a guy who was B/C level, and it was by KO(which is worth more in your book, right?).

Losing to a guy like that in your prime IS a big deal. Beating the best fighter in a second division IS a big deal. Things like this are part of why I rate Calzaghe higher. Another factor is that Calzaghe has been a world champion for longer. 1997-now. Tszyu was a world champion from 95-97, and 2000-2005. The longevity and consistency Calzaghe showed are another advantage he has over Tszyu.

[Clegg]

why are you turning this into an argument over my opinion of tszyu acheiving more than calzaghe?

kind of off topic, isnt it?

No, not at all. You posted that Tszyu, Castillo etc. should be rated above Calzaghe. Now I'm asking you why, you say it's off-topic.

[bsrizpac]

You stated an opinion. I asked you to justify it, and you say "why do you disagree"?

Let's look at your points. I'll take point 3 first, because it's so ******.

I ask you why Tszyu has a better resume, and the evidence you offer is "much more of a solid resume than Joe". It's as logical as saying "it is because it is". ******, really really ******.

Anyway



Tszyu was undisputed and held 3 belts at LWW. Calzaghe was undisputed and also held a fourth at a different point in time. So on this point, Calzaghe CLEARLY wins. And that's before we factor in his trip to 175.



The KO doesn't matter. Foreman had great KO wins over Frazier. Ali beat him by decision. Who was the better fighter?

Judah was a good fighter, and it's a very good win. However I think that the win over Hopkins is worth more. It wasn't as convincing, but it was over a far better opponent.

Even if you give the Judah win a slight edge, Calzaghe is often criticised for fighting B/C level guys. Well, Tszyu lost to a guy who was B/C level, and it was by KO(which is worth more in your book, right?).

Losing to a guy like that in your prime IS a big deal. Beating the best fighter in a second division IS a big deal. Things like this are part of why I rate Calzaghe higher. Another factor is that Calzaghe has been a world champion for longer. 1997-now. Tszyu was a world champion from 95-97, and 2000-2005. The longevity and consistency Calzaghe showed are another advantage he has over Tszyu.

Good points. but you have to factor in one negative here: SMW was **** compared to Tszyu's divisions. Not that I'm a huge Kostya guy or anything.

[hishaam15]

Good points. but you have to factor in one negative here: SMW was **** compared to Tszyu's divisions. Not that I'm a huge Kostya guy or anything.

was just about to point that out. 140 was stacked

[hishaam15]

No, not at all. You posted that Tszyu, Castillo etc. should be rated above Calzaghe. Now I'm asking you why, you say it's off-topic.

yeah, but your just picking at slight things such as 1 fighter you dont agree with being rated higher than calzaghe, instead of judging my list as a whole. its easy to find a flaw in a list someone makes off the top of their head.

[hishaam15]

You stated an opinion. I asked you to justify it, and you say "why do you disagree"?

Let's look at your points. I'll take point 3 first, because it's so ******.

I ask you why Tszyu has a better resume, and the evidence you offer is "much more of a solid resume than Joe". It's as logical as saying "it is because it is". ******, really really ******.

Anyway



Tszyu was undisputed and held 3 belts at LWW. Calzaghe was undisputed and also held a fourth at a different point in time. So on this point, Calzaghe CLEARLY wins. And that's before we factor in his trip to 175.



The KO doesn't matter. Foreman had great KO wins over Frazier. Ali beat him by decision. Who was the better fighter?

Judah was a good fighter, and it's a very good win. However I think that the win over Hopkins is worth more. It wasn't as convincing, but it was over a far better opponent.

Even if you give the Judah win a slight edge, Calzaghe is often criticised for fighting B/C level guys. Well, Tszyu lost to a guy who was B/C level, and it was by KO(which is worth more in your book, right?).

Losing to a guy like that in your prime IS a big deal. Beating the best fighter in a second division IS a big deal. Things like this are part of why I rate Calzaghe higher. Another factor is that Calzaghe has been a world champion for longer. 1997-now. Tszyu was a world champion from 95-97, and 2000-2005. The longevity and consistency Calzaghe showed are another advantage he has over Tszyu.

so you want me to point out why tszyu has a more solid resume than joe?
its like asking why hop has a better resume than him

tszyu:

- undefeated Hugo Pineda
- bergman
- comes back from KO loss to win a title again
- beats gonzalez
- beats JCC
- unifies against mitchell
- defends against a credible opponent
- unifies with sensational KO of Judah
- defends titles a few times before losing to hatton.



not that im a tszyu fan at all, i actually like judah more, but your forcing me to talk about this guy so i had to point all the above out.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Lennox Lewis? You shameless lying sack of **** ballsucker.

Vintage Bsrizpac. See number 6 on my list.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ricky is a bit strange. I'm not sure if people like him and Dirk believe everything that they come out with.

EXCUSE ME?!!!!!

Oh its on now!

[Dan...]

I think I would have an extremely difficult time coming up with 25 fighters that have sufficient achievements since the late 70s to surpass Calzaghe so yes, he is.