This is why 95% of the board laughs at Horus/Burner

[BrooklynBomber]

I really don't agree with Duran. he is a better fighter than Duran and would have beat him too. i think he is on par with Leonard. Like u said...Floyd's defense is better and Leonard offense was slightly better. Leonard definitely had more pop, but i think they pretty even.

also most of floyd's inside defense is not turning his head away. but he does duck and slip punches on the inside and will clinch as well. I don't see how ducking and slipping and rolling punches within close distance is limited. can u explain that?

I don't agree with this, and this is how we will leave it.

I am pretty sure we been through all of these arguments many times.

[VIVA MEXICO!!]

Mayweather has earned his right to go where the money is. I'm just as disappointed about the Oscar rematch as anyone else, but that's where the money is. The winner of Cotto Margarito will be where the money is, then he'll go there too.

when the money was in a fight with margarito since 2005 this coward ducked the biggest payday of his life. he dont go where the money is. he goes where the EASY money is. plain and basic common sense.

[abadger]

I really don't agree with Duran. he is a better fighter than Duran and would have beat him too. i think he is on par with Leonard. Like u said...Floyd's defense is better and Leonard offense was slightly better. Leonard definitely had more pop, but i think they pretty even.

also most of floyd's inside defense is not turning his head away. but he does duck and slip punches on the inside and will clinch as well. I don't see how ducking and slipping and rolling punches within close distance is limited. can u explain that?

Cortdawg, I like Floyd but he isn't up there with fighters like Leonard. If you're interested here is why:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...46#post3510146

[pbftxrs316]

burner and horus are two of the best posters on this ****ing forum. you guys are so quick to bash them, because they defend floyd from hating posters on here to criticize his every move. i am a huge mayweather fan, and i'll be the 1st to admit, i am biased towards him, but that biasness is towards his fight game, and that's what matters at the end of the day, not those 100 threads a day about floyd saying this and that, and floyd rematching him and him, that don't matter to me, because floyd is by far the most skilled fighter in boxing and has been since 1998 imo, but i've followed his career for many years, especialyy when i was fighting myself. the thing that gets me about posters on here is that they love to criticize floyd fans just as much as floyd himself. they bash our opinions in polls when we pick floyd to beat such and such, thus showing me that they made the poll so everyone could pick against him. that bull**** should get criticized, not what horus and burner do. you tell me this, out of all of the posts and threads that burner and horus made, how many times could you say they were wrong really. whether you agree or disagree with them, or hate or like what they posted, they had actual facts to back them up, especially horus, so what can you really bash? i mean, ****, you guys, the hating click of boxingscene, make more threads and posts about mayweather than his own supporters do? how many times can we tell you guys this? you guys make more posts about floyd than his fans do, and you know, so what does that say about you guys? i know boxing like the back of my hand, and i know great fighters. floyd mayweather is money hungry, bar none. he's no srl, he never wanted to be. he didn't want to do the commercials or smile in the camera like srl did, floyd wanted to be his own man, and he is. he wants his own legacy and his own reputation, that shows belief in yourself. his walks his own path, and he is very hated, but as long as you continue to say his name, meaning he is on your minds, his name will only get bigger and greater, and his skillset only enhances just that.

horus and burner are avid mayweather fans, there's no denying that, and so am i, there's no denying this, and i don't care if they said paul williams should fight floyd, because many haters on here said paul williams would give floyd his 1st lost, just like shane would, just like cotto will, and tony will, unitl one of them loses, then it's goodbye to them. i don't see any posts about williams beating floyd now, and many haters on here said he would, just like shane as the go to guy for floyd, now he's out of picture, now it's cotto, so no matter who the best beats, there's always somebody left for him, and this is the way it's been for decades in boxing. people may agree with this, but rebuttal it by saying well, "that's true, it's always been this way in boximg, the best having to keep proving himself, like ali did, like robinson did, like srl did, like oscar de la hoya did" and they'll claim floyd is avoiding the best and fought bum champions like a gatti, or hatton, or old de la hoya(even though he called them out for years), they'll claim he hasn't fought any decent competition since castillo and he lost against him in their 1st fight, and aging de la hoya gave him almost too much to handle, so he wouldn't have beaten him in his prime, although floy dcalled him otu numerous times in his prime as he did with shane, as he did with hatton, as he did with fighters like hamed, freitez, cassamayor, winky wright at 154, cotto at 140, he called out gatti in 1998 and claimed he would beat gatti in 1998, and they didn't fight unitl 2005, what's that sayig. it's so funny how people claimed he ducked kosta, which he didn't, kosta was too busy getting his ass handed to him by hatton, he ducked margarito even though he had his sights set on the fight he wanted his whole career with oscar, and big money fights with shane and hatton, i mean, antonio margarito is a dead horse really. it's not his fault really, because he came at floyd when floyd wanted big money fights, mostly every fighter does, that's when their legacies and star power comes into play. tony has 5 losses on his record also. oscar had 4, but was a huge draw, and floyd always wanted big fights, he claimed it his whol career, which is why he called out so many champions like he did in their primes, but the fights never took place. what's that saying though? tony margarito hadn't made a historical legacy for himself has he? floyd is he better fighter, more skilled, faster, more elusive, many people on here claims that he would dust the floor with tony anyway, he fought oscar at the highest weight class he's ever fought at, when oscar outweight him by damn near 20 pounds on fight night. floyd beat him in a crusing manner it seems like, took some hard shots from oscar, never looked hurt, was more accurate, wobbled oscar a couple times, could have knocked him down if he pressed for it, and i used "if" because you guys on here claimed that "if" oscar used the jab more, he would have or could have beaten floyd, now floyd wants a rematch which is warranted to me, seeing how the fight was a sd, even though i feel it wasn't, and oscar was the champion, he is entitled to a rematch, and with flyd sr. training oscar, the fight should have a lot of drama in the buildup to the fight. i, for one, want to see the rematch, and want floyd to comtinue building his name and making more money, because he has has earned this. people want him to fight cotto, and so do i, because he'll beat cotto, this i can guarantee you seeing how i've studied both of their careers extensively especially at 140 and 147. but, floyd considered himself the greatest fighter ever, and while i don't agree with that, seeing how i have srr number one, floyd has all of the skills, the credentials, seeing how he became 4 time world champion in under 10 years, seeing how dominant he became in his fights, seeing how fluent his skillset is, quite possible the most gifted fighter ever, he is without a doubt, the greatest fighter of his generation, most skilled fighter of his era, most fluent fighter of the past 4 decades, this can be argued to the core, but only a fool would be blind to this. floyd mayweather jr. is a true champion, because he fights under adverse situations, he's no angel, but what he does in the ring is truly something special, a once in a lifetime type of fighter, like a roy jones, srl, ali, srr, mike tyson, oscar de la hoya, rocky marciano, etc. floyd stands the test of time, he is an all time great, and the best is yet to come, trust me.

[BmoreBrawler]

Even weirder, they mimick Floyd's excuses.

its like a cult

[abadger]

burner and horus are two of the best posters on this ****ing forum. you guys are so quick to bash them, because they defend floyd from hating posters on here to criticize his every move. i am a huge mayweather fan, and i'll be the 1st to admit, i am biased towards him, but that biasness is towards his fight game, and that's what matters at the..................

Sorry had to cut you off there.....................
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Horus is an excellent poster. Burner one of the worst.

[2501]

burner and horus are two of the best posters on this ****ing forum. you guys are so quick to bash them, because they defend floyd from hating posters on here to criticize his every move. i am a huge mayweather fan, and i'll be the 1st to admit, i am biased towards him, but that biasness is towards his fight game, and that's what matters at the end of the day, not those 100 threads a day about floyd saying this and that, and floyd rematching him and him, that don't matter to me, because floyd is by far the most skilled fighter in boxing and has been since 1998 imo, but i've followed his career for many years, especialyy when i was fighting myself. the thing that gets me about posters on here is that they love to criticize floyd fans just as much as floyd himself. they bash our opinions in polls when we pick floyd to beat such and such, thus showing me that they made the poll so everyone could pick against him. that bull**** should get criticized, not what horus and burner do. you tell me this, out of all of the posts and threads that burner and horus made, how many times could you say they were wrong really. whether you agree or disagree with them, or hate or like what they posted, they had actual facts to back them up, especially horus, so what can you really bash? i mean, ****, you guys, the hating click of boxingscene, make more threads and posts about mayweather than his own supporters do? how many times can we tell you guys this? you guys make more posts about floyd than his fans do, and you know, so what does that say about you guys? i know boxing like the back of my hand, and i know great fighters. floyd mayweather is money hungry, bar none. he's no srl, he never wanted to be. he didn't want to do the commercials or smile in the camera like srl did, floyd wanted to be his own man, and he is. he wants his own legacy and his own reputation, that shows belief in yourself. his walks his own path, and he is very hated, but as long as you continue to say his name, meaning he is on your minds, his name will only get bigger and greater, and his skillset only enhances just that.

horus and burner are avid mayweather fans, there's no denying that, and so am i, there's no denying this, and i don't care if they said paul williams should fight floyd, because many haters on here said paul williams would give floyd his 1st lost, just like shane would, just like cotto will, and tony will, unitl one of them loses, then it's goodbye to them. i don't see any posts about williams beating floyd now, and many haters on here said he would, just like shane as the go to guy for floyd, now he's out of picture, now it's cotto, so no matter who the best beats, there's always somebody left for him, and this is the way it's been for decades in boxing. people may agree with this, but rebuttal it by saying well, "that's true, it's always been this way in boximg, the best having to keep proving himself, like ali did, like robinson did, like srl did, like oscar de la hoya did" and they'll claim floyd is avoiding the best and fought bum champions like a gatti, or hatton, or old de la hoya(even though he called them out for years), they'll claim he hasn't fought any decent competition since castillo and he lost against him in their 1st fight, and aging de la hoya gave him almost too much to handle, so he wouldn't have beaten him in his prime, although floy dcalled him otu numerous times in his prime as he did with shane, as he did with hatton, as he did with fighters like hamed, freitez, cassamayor, winky wright at 154, cotto at 140, he called out gatti in 1998 and claimed he would beat gatti in 1998, and they didn't fight unitl 2005, what's that sayig. it's so funny how people claimed he ducked kosta, which he didn't, kosta was too busy getting his ass handed to him by hatton, he ducked margarito even though he had his sights set on the fight he wanted his whole career with oscar, and big money fights with shane and hatton, i mean, antonio margarito is a dead horse really. it's not his fault really, because he came at floyd when floyd wanted big money fights, mostly every fighter does, that's when their legacies and star power comes into play. tony has 5 losses on his record also. oscar had 4, but was a huge draw, and floyd always wanted big fights, he claimed it his whol career, which is why he called out so many champions like he did in their primes, but the fights never took place. what's that saying though? tony margarito hadn't made a historical legacy for himself has he? floyd is he better fighter, more skilled, faster, more elusive, many people on here claims that he would dust the floor with tony anyway, he fought oscar at the highest weight class he's ever fought at, when oscar outweight him by damn near 20 pounds on fight night. floyd beat him in a crusing manner it seems like, took some hard shots from oscar, never looked hurt, was more accurate, wobbled oscar a couple times, could have knocked him down if he pressed for it, and i used "if" because you guys on here claimed that "if" oscar used the jab more, he would have or could have beaten floyd, now floyd wants a rematch which is warranted to me, seeing how the fight was a sd, even though i feel it wasn't, and oscar was the champion, he is entitled to a rematch, and with flyd sr. training oscar, the fight should have a lot of drama in the buildup to the fight. i, for one, want to see the rematch, and want floyd to comtinue building his name and making more money, because he has has earned this. people want him to fight cotto, and so do i, because he'll beat cotto, this i can guarantee you seeing how i've studied both of their careers extensively especially at 140 and 147. but, floyd considered himself the greatest fighter ever, and while i don't agree with that, seeing how i have srr number one, floyd has all of the skills, the credentials, seeing how he became 4 time world champion in under 10 years, seeing how dominant he became in his fights, seeing how fluent his skillset is, quite possible the most gifted fighter ever, he is without a doubt, the greatest fighter of his generation, most skilled fighter of his era, most fluent fighter of the past 4 decades, this can be argued to the core, but only a fool would be blind to this. floyd mayweather jr. is a true champion, because he fights under adverse situations, he's no angel, but what he does in the ring is truly something special, a once in a lifetime type of fighter, like a roy jones, srl, ali, srr, mike tyson, oscar de la hoya, rocky marciano, etc. floyd stands the test of time, he is an all time great, and the best is yet to come, trust me.

holy ****ing ****.

[cortdawg25]

Cortdawg, I like Floyd but he isn't up there with fighters like Leonard. If you're interested here is why:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...46#post3510146

most of your argument is based on resume and challenges that Leonard had compared to Floyd. That is all subjective and can be picked apart. I'm not going to do that or even argue floyd's greatness alltime. Afterall it's just all opinion.

But I believe (and I guess this opinion too) that skill wise Floyd is on par with all the fighters that i have seen before from theWitakers to SRL to the Alis to the SRR. Any and every kinda punch that can be thrown, he can throw with the accuracy and power that those other great fighters had done. His defense thus far as been the greatest I have seen with Whitakers being pretty close in his prime. Skillwise and accomplishment wise he is on par and can be compared and should be mentioned with those other great fighters. i'm not going to try and say who was better between SRl and Floyd and really to be honest SRR tops them all still from the tapes I have seen. But we can't take Floyd's accomplishment and skills away from him. He is on there level and should be mentioned.

[-Antonio-]

burner and horus are two of the best posters on this ****ing forum..

My 10th grade English teacher used to always preach about how important the opening sentence is to an essay. "You have to grab the reader's attention," he used to say.

Starting out like that did not do you any favors.

[-Antonio-]

for the record this was never about Mayweather either.

It's about the double standard. It's about how ****ing ****** people look when they preach about PPV numbers and the like.