Does Floyd Deserve To Be Called Greater Than Sugar Ray?

[The Gambler1981]

"what are you on about comparing gayboy floyd to srr, he ko'd 108 people. Floyd has probably never sparred that many times ffs"

OK im sorry but SRR is a man like PBF any man can be beaten. He is not a mythical fire breathing beast. Now saying i would bet on Floyd if he was more then a 3 to 1 underdog is disrespecting SRR?

Also i have heard many writers like Micheal Katz compare them especially the kayo of Hatton i heard many writers say that was Ray Robinsonesque.

Comparing across eras and you throwing out some huge numbers doesn't matter that much to me they fought more. If you want to bring up the great names he beat thats a way better arguement then some giant number bro. Also why wouldn't he fight Burley if he was so unbeatable.

I can only take people like Burt Sugar, Micheal Katz and my dead grandfather on Ray Robinson. If they say he is the best i can not argue with them as i have only been watching boxing for 20 years not 70.

[DuttyAlacrity]

Leonard did'nt fight Hagler again cause he did'nt need to he had already beaten him end of story ,he won the fight and just cause Hagler threw his dummy out & retired it dont mean he was robbed ,ive scored this fight that many times and even tried to give Hagler the benefit of the doubt and everytime i see Ray Leonard winning the fight or at least getting a draw

Castillo was a B Class fighter he is not in the league of Mosley let alone Hagler ,Hearns and he beat Floyd

Floyd probably rematched because he robbed Castillo ,Castillo is a B class fighter ,Floyd gives rematches cause he fight B Class fighters to pad his record or small or over the hill fighter like Oscar & Hatton

OVERATED

He retired unless he was given a rematch... SRL never gave it to him so he retired. Mosely is not a great boxer... just really strong and fast he's probably a b+ fighter at best. You seem to have the myopic vision and believe that floyd had no career before 147... he started his career at 130! Generaro Hernandez = legend; Floyd defended his super Feather weight against all the top superfeather weight contenders before moving up; Corrales (legend) was an undefeated beast before he met PBF, You can call Castillo a "B" class figher but he ruled the lightweight division... Castillo is a better boxer than mosely. Hatton was supposedly the only man that could beat PBF until he got knocked on his ass. The point is he was the undisputed Jww champ when he fought PBF... PBF should get some form of credit for that. He fought an over the hill de la hoya yes.. but this is the same ODLH that chose the ring, weight class, gloves, ref, etc. Floyd still weighed in at WW for that fight. Think about it he ruled the superfeather weight division, he ruled the lightweight division, he destroyed the ruler of JWW division, he beat possibly the best fighter at super WW (but that division is kind of weak, nevertheless)and after he beats cotto he would have beaten the best at the WW division... 3 lineal championships in three diff weight classes that alone puts him in the same convo with the rest of the greats...
You still haven't said anything about SRL losing to duran at 147... and the fact that he was getting his ass handed to him before he TKO'd hearns in the 14 or 15th round... I'm not saying PBF is definitely better than SRL, but it can be argued there's no denying that...

[pbftxrs316]

it's subjective when determining these fighters, but seeing how i believe sugar ray robinson is the greatest p4p fighter ever, and i feel floyd is the greatest fighter of his era, and soon to be of the last 4 decades, it's hard to compare them. you see, fighters from the last 3 decades haven't had the same amount of fights sugar ray robinson had. ali, leonard, etc. chavez jr. had many fights but today's fights to be as big as they are, have to have good builds to it, so i can't blame him seeing how mike tyson, roy jones, or many other fighters haven't had the same amount of fights roy robinson had, but roy jones is considered by many on here to be the best p4p fighter ever, and don't try to argue this notion, because many on here have posted just that. ****, floyd is still undefeated and skillwise, i would rank him higher than roy jones jr, ray leonard, ali, and robinson, no questions asked. but, it's all opinion. it's hard to compare them both, they are from two different eras, two different faces of boxing, it's really hard. resume wise, ray robinson fought people as much as 6 times, if floyd did this, he'd be bashed for it.

the thread starter asked for us to keep it clean, which many posters on here rarely do when it comes to floyd mayweather jr anyway, so i'm having a hard time, believing how sincere he was when making this thread, seeing how when burner responded to it, he took it upon himself, to rebuttal him, claiming that burner is going against the rest of the world, when the thread starter has even asked the rest of the ****ing world has he? keep it clean? **** that ****, i'm going dirty. skillwise, i'd put floyd over ray robinson anyday of the week, that's any ****ing day of the week. resume wise, ray robinson all day, but again, i believe comparing skills in this situation is better, because we dont' know how each one would do with each one's competition. ****, i'll tell you guys this though, mayweather has more skills overall than srl though, that i can argue to the core. i dare somebody to try to argue against me too.

[2501]

i dare somebody to try to argue against me too.

no need to. no one really respects your opinion.

[pbftxrs316]

[QUOTE=The Gambler1981;3488252]"what are you on about comparing gayboy floyd to srr, he ko'd 108 people. Floyd has probably never sparred that many times ffs"

OK im sorry but SRR is a man like PBF any man can be beaten. He is not a mythical fire breathing beast. Now saying i would bet on Floyd if he was more then a 3 to 1 underdog is disrespecting SRR?

Also i have heard many writers like Micheal Katz compare them especially the kayo of Hatton i heard many writers say that was Ray Robinsonesque.

Comparing across eras and you throwing out some huge numbers doesn't matter that much to me they fought more. If you want to bring up the great names he beat thats a way better arguement then some giant number bro. Also why wouldn't he fight Burley if he was so unbeatable.

I can only take people like Burt Sugar, Micheal Katz and my dead grandfather on Ray Robinson. If they say he is the best i can not argue with them as i have only been watching boxing for 20 years not 70.[/QUOTE]respectable, but even then, it's subjective on their part also. it's subjective, no analyst can be sure about a fighter unless they acutally fight them, and i know they've been around the sport for years, and i respect their opinions, but just because they've been, doesn't mean they're right. everybody has a different style of fighting they like or dislike, and when comparing fighting styles and resumes from different era, you have to be as objective as you can, but even that's hard, what do you base your picks off of? resumes would be the most obvious but then again, think about it like this, how would floyd hold up against fighters that ray robinson fought and how would ray hold up against fighters floyd meayweather jr. fought? you have to looks at their skillset as well as their hearts, it's really tough, which is why i didn't choose floyd or ray robinson, because i feel their interchangeable when it comes to their legacies.

it's like comparing hulk hogan to steve austin. hulk hogan set the pave just like the wrestlers before him, and steve austin took it to new heights, it's the way of the world, and boxing's no exception.

[pbftxrs316]

no need to. no one really respects your opinion.

that's funny... really funny. how about this though, why don't you try to argue against someone who nobody respects, and watch how much respect i get form those people after i make you look like a little fool...oh wait, everyone already thinks you're a little fool anyway.

[Mr. Philadel]

There's not a boxer dead or alive who will ever deserve to be called greater than the great Ray Robinson! God just don't make'em like that any more! Ray Robinson was special!

[2501]

that's funny... really funny. how about this though, why don't you try to argue against someone who nobody respects, and watch how much respect i get form those people after i make you look like a little fool...oh wait, everyone already thinks you're a little fool anyway.

*looks at pbf stan's rep power*
*looks at my rep power*
*chuckles*

[TheGreatA]

This is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge post but most of it I've already written before so it didn't take that long to write...

Both fighters were undefeated for their first 39 fights, lets see how Robinson's resume looked like before he lost to LaMotta...


Robinson, who had fought as a featherweight in the amateurs, begins his pro career as a lightweight and steps up against 34-10 Oliver White in his 6th fight, former WW title contender 73-27 Joe Ghnouly in his 16th fight and former LW title contender Pete Lello in his 20th fight.
Robinson is now 20-0 and a top ranked lightweight.

Ray Robinson gets a fight against the lightweight champion Sammy Angott (the only man who holds a win over a prime Willie Pep), giving Angott the worst beating of his career.
The fight, however, was NOT for the title and Robinson decides to move up in weight to welterweight having already beaten the champion in the lightweight division.

Robinson defeats WW contender Maxie Shapiro (50-6) and wins a decision against the 42-0 undefeated, future welterweight world champion Marty Servo. Huge win for young Ray Robinson.

In his next two fights, Robinson twice defeats the veteran hall of famer and former WW champion Fritzie Zivic and becomes one of the only two men to ever stop him.

Robinson then defeats former rivals Servo and Angott in rematches, defeats 27-5 Rubio, 20-3 Shank and 30-4 Tony Motisi, still doesn't get the title shot.

Ray Robinson defeats the future middleweight champion Jake LaMotta who outweighs him by atleast 15 pounds.
This fight would start a long, great rivalry which ended when Robinson became the first man to legitimately stop LaMotta in their 6th fight.

By this point Robinson was 40-0 and already had a hall of fame resume.
Take in consideration that this is just 1/5 of his resume and the early part of it without having even received a title shot yet.

Robinson held wins over men who were/would become lightweight, welterweight and middleweight champions and did all this in the just first 3 years of his career!
Amazing but the best was yet to come.

After losing to Jake LaMotta in a rematch he did not lose another fight in 8 years and went unbeaten for his next 90 fights, winning titles in the WW and MW divisions.
He would go on to defeat such men like Armstrong, Bell, Costner, Curcio, Levine, Doyle, Docusen, Gavilan, Belloise, Villemain, Basora, Olson, Dykes, Turpin, Graziano, Fullmer and Basilio...

Ray Robinson eventually moved up to the light heavyweight division, challenged the champion Joey Maxim and was winning the fight on all 3 scorecards until retiring in his stool due to extreme exhaustion, the only time he was ever stopped in his 200 fight career.

Robinson retired after this fight with a record of 131 wins and 3 losses.
3 years later he would make his return to boxing in need of money and regained the world middleweight title 3 more times while in his mid/late 30's. Robinson finally retired at the age of 44 in 1965.

Sugar Ray Robinson is ranked by many the greatest welterweight of all time and one of the greatest middleweights of all time.

[Dynamite Kid]

He retired unless he was given a rematch... SRL never gave it to him so he retired. Mosely is not a great boxer... just really strong and fast he's probably a b+ fighter at best. You seem to have the myopic vision and believe that floyd had no career before 147... he started his career at 130! Generaro Hernandez = legend; Floyd defended his super Feather weight against all the top superfeather weight contenders before moving up; Corrales (legend) was an undefeated beast before he met PBF, You can call Castillo a "B" class figher but he ruled the lightweight division... Castillo is a better boxer than mosely. Hatton was supposedly the only man that could beat PBF until he got knocked on his ass. The point is he was the undisputed Jww champ when he fought PBF... PBF should get some form of credit for that. He fought an over the hill de la hoya yes.. but this is the same ODLH that chose the ring, weight class, gloves, ref, etc. Floyd still weighed in at WW for that fight. Think about it he ruled the superfeather weight division, he ruled the lightweight division, he destroyed the ruler of JWW division, he beat possibly the best fighter at super WW (but that division is kind of weak, nevertheless)and after he beats cotto he would have beaten the best at the WW division... 3 lineal championships in three diff weight classes that alone puts him in the same convo with the rest of the greats...
You still haven't said anything about SRL losing to duran at 147... and the fact that he was getting his ass handed to him before he TKO'd hearns in the 14 or 15th round... I'm not saying PBF is definitely better than SRL, but it can be argued there's no denying that...

Shane Mosley is a B class fighter LMAO , but J L Castillo is Elite

I dont need to address your points about Ray Leonard he fought and beat 4 ATG ,arguably The best 160lbs fighter ever ,one of the best 147lbs fighters ever in Hearns ,probably the best LW ever in Duran ,Benitez

Floyd Best win is Oscar 34 years old ,lost 5 times ,notorious for gassing out in fights