US Boxing Bias - Worst In The World?

[tyson]

You would understand if u were actucally able to follow the disscussion ,noobs to this thread need to go back about 8/9 pages before they post thier worthless opinion on the debate ,clearly they aint upto speed eh

Go back 8-9 pages to read more of the same boring, generic stuff we see a thousand times a day?

Please, that would be torture.

Anyways, I'm bored.

[Mr. Philadel]

the UK is home of some of the most highly regarded academic institutions on the map. So for those thousands of thousands of UK fans who honestly thought Ricky Hatton would win a fight with Floyd Jr. had to be bias because the UK academic system won't allow you to be dumb!

[Dynamite Kid]

Ha ha ha! Before I say anything, all the following fights would be close, and might come out different on different occasions, but:

Calzaghe v Hopkins - Calzaghe Decision
Calzaghe v Toney - Calzaghe Decision
Calzaghe v Jones - Jones Decision

Posted about all of that lot a ton of times, still recovering from the critical mauling I received for my Toney opinion, but thats what I think. Gotta go to the pub now though, so Terrible, feel free to do your worst while I'm gone!

analaysis of how u see him beatin Toney & Hopkins please

[sparked_85]

the UK is home of some of the most highly regarded academic institutions on the map. So for those thousands of thousands of UK fans who honestly thought Ricky Hatton would win a fight with Floyd Jr. had to be bias because the UK academic system won't allow you to be dumb!

I'm not sure how many real hardcore boxing fans thought Ricky would win.

We gave him a chance. I think he deserved that.

The guys who said Hatton would definetely win were silly.

[Clegg]

I would say some fans from the UK are far worse, e****ially when I think about the way they hero worshipped Lennox, Hamed, and recently, Hatton and Calzaghe. It is quite hilarious to see their reaction after Hatton was demolished by Floyd.

Aren't you one of the ones who was pretty certain that Lacy would beat Calzaghe?

We're all guilty of it sometimes. Apart from me. I'm a pessimist, so I usually expect the UK fighter to lose. Last year I won a decent amount of money betting that England would lose in the Rugby World Cup final and that Hatton would lose to Mayweather.

Seriously though, my opinion of Calzaghe is lower now than it was before the Hopkins fight. If I had been here longer I'm sure there would be fight predictions of mine that I'd want to forget.

[sparked_85]

surely German bias is the worst.

lol.

Has an American fighter ever won in Germany?

seriously.

[Clegg]

Apologies that this is so long. You are welcome get back to me the next time you have insomnia or whatever.

I'm Canadian and I could tell you from a neutral standpoint that the UK posters are WAY more biased than the american ones.

You aren't neutral. Saying that Canada is neutral to American fighters is like saying that Ireland are neutral to UK fighters. Infact Irish people are more likely to see boxing from outside of Europe than Canadians are to see boxing from within Europe. When you add in the fact that the UK has been pretty ****ty to the Irish for centuries, it seems fair to say that they are less likely to be biased than Canadians.

Until the best fight one another it is opinion who is the superior fighter. In a factual sense there are more European world champions than American, but if I asked who your favourite fighters are and who the best are I bet more would be American rather than European. Not because you are intentionally biased but because you have seen more of the US fighters/media.

and fighters that stay and fight in the UK aren't nearly as good as the fighters who fight in the states cuz of the competition level. think of the US as the premier league and UK as division 1. just cuz you have a division 1 hot shot goal scorer, it doesn't mean he is gonna do the same in the premier league cuz the competition is just faster and smarter.

I think that's a pretty poor analogy. What division a player plays in is based upon ability. What country a boxer fights in is not. It would be more accurate to say that it is similar to whether or not a player plays in the Premier League or in another top European league.

Here's why: The PL probably has the best footballers in the world, but this not because English players are the best, it's because of all the foreigners playing there(ditto US boxing). However the PL, like US boxing, is the most watched in the world and pays the biggest money. Because of this an English player who is not that great, like Beckham, can get paid massive amounts of money because of his nationality, just like a US boxer. That's not to say that Beckham is ****, just as the top US boxers are not ****, but if he had been born in Moldova he wouldn't be rated as highly, and the same is true of several US boxers.

If an Eastern European player wanted to prove that he was the best he would have to play in a top league, but, like Sergiy Dzinziruk and US boxing, there is no guarantee that him going to a foreign country would work out. He might not get a contract with anyone or he might get a contract but be paid less than he would get if he stayed at home.

If Sergiy Dzinziruk had defended his title in America last weekend instead of in Germany, would he have made as much money? No. HBO wouldn't be interested, very few US boxing fans would want to go and see him, and he'd have to do all his training and preparation away from his own gym etc. Added to that less Germans would watch the fight on TV because it would be on at 3am, and so he would also get paid less money by the German TV channel that shows his fights.

For many boxers it does not make sense for them to fight in the US, nor is it a realistic possibility. These guys devote their lives to their profession, and asking them to take a lesser payday in an unfamiliar environment just to satisfy some Americans who can't be bothered to watch a fight unless it's on HBO is pretty unfair in my opinion.

and hopkins is like a 45 year old soccer player who use to be in the premier league but he was no better than a division 1 player when calzaghe beat him. whether or not Calzaghe belongs in the premier league is still a big question cuz he hasn't faced a top fighter in their primes to date.

So Kessler wasn't a top fighter? If that's how you see it then it is obviously impossible for any SMW to be a top fighter. If someone fights in a European dominated division then they will never beat anyone with a big US profile. What more should Kessler have done? He won a title(by KO). He defended in a different continent. Then he unified(by KO). Then he attempted to unify again and came up short against someone who is rated in the p4p top 3 by a large number of people. He has proven that he has good handspeed, a great chin, a good jab and a hard punch.

If Kessler goes to the US and beats an American on US TV, he won't have suddenly become a good fighter, all he'll have done is increase the number of people in the US that consider him to be one. A film isn't the best just because most people have seen it and it wins lots of awards, otherwise Titanic would be a great movie.

You call yourself a neutral but you aren't. Kessler is not rated by people such as yourself because he's a European who fought in a European dominated division. It's a simple as that.

[Dynamite Kid]

Ha ha ha! Before I say anything, all the following fights would be close, and might come out different on different occasions, but:

Calzaghe v Hopkins - Calzaghe Decision
Calzaghe v Toney - Calzaghe Decision
Calzaghe v Jones - Jones Decision

Posted about all of that lot a ton of times, still recovering from the critical mauling I received for my Toney opinion, but thats what I think. Gotta go to the pub now though, so Terrible, feel free to do your worst while I'm gone!

Calzaghe could'nt live with this kind of ring craft he would have got Owned u think Hopkins made him look bad ,Jeez Toney would have made him look like a right jack ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLFsai8DhVg

[sparked_85]

Calzaghe could'nt live with this kind of ring craft he would have got Owned u think Hopkins made him look bad ,Jeez Toney would have made him look like a right jack ass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLFsai8DhVg

I agree Toney would definetely have beaten Calzaghe without a shadow of a doubt. ****ing awful style match up for Joe.

Prime Toney possibly a stoppage win.

[Easy-E]

Aren't you one of the ones who was pretty certain that Lacy would beat Calzaghe?

We're all guilty of it sometimes. Apart from me. I'm a pessimist, so I usually expect the UK fighter to lose. Last year I won a decent amount of money betting that England would lose in the Rugby World Cup final and that Hatton would lose to Mayweather.

Seriously though, my opinion of Calzaghe is lower now than it was before the Hopkins fight. If I had been here longer I'm sure there would be fight predictions of mine that I'd want to forget.

Not sure why you made that assumption, considering you joined the forum's in 2008...