Pavlik is the only good opponent for Calzaghe

[Scott9945]

I've noticed a lot of people saying Calzaghe needs to fight Antonio Tarver/Chad Dawson/Glen Johnson to cement his legacy... Now that doesn't make any sense to me at all, since Dawson is just up and coming and his only good win was Johnson (and i'm not sure but from what i've read it was disputed?), whose only good win was a shot Jones jr. And then theres Tarver, who recently lost to Hopkins, who Calzaghe just beat.

Jones jr is past his prime and is due to his losses to both is less credible in a way than Tarver and Johnson, but Jones was once considered to be the best in the world, which Tarver and Johnson never were, and has looked much better in his last few fights than in those... and this fight makes more sense financially. So you can't blame him for taking this fight, because as much as a legacy is worth to a fighter, retiring with a fat bank account and living well after their career is much more important. This applies to ALL boxers, since fighting the best is also motivated by money. I also think it's cool that Roy came back to try again, like a true champion. Hats off to him if he beats Calzaghe, too.

But the only fight that would really prove Calzaghe to be great is a win against Pavlik, so that's the fight he should take after Jones jr, assuming that fight comes off. And I seriously don't see any other option. It seems like people call fights out for Calzaghe saying he needs them to prove he's the best, all the while predicting he's going to lose them, then bashing the opponent after he defeats them.

I'm not a Cal nuthugger, btw. I'm just stating the truth here. I agree his victory over Hopkins was less than impressive, although I do think he still won the fight.

I'm going to have to call bull**** on that. Calzaghe only has one win at lightheavyweight, and that was against a 43 y/o who spent most of his career at 160. Pavlik still has work to do in his own weight class. Joe needs to beat some of the top 175 lb fighters to prove himself, not a middleweight.

[GMitchell]

Tarver and Dawson appeal because they are the current US champs at LHW. Beating those two would partially unify the division and mean Calzaghe had effectively cleared it out (in some eyes). Great add to his legacy for the man who did the same at SMW.

Roy Jones is Roy Jones. He may be old but lots of people make him favourite. Bottom line he's the biggest name Joe could beat and it if he beat him Joe would have beaten the two greatest fighters of this era at or around his weight. Another great add to the legacy.

Pavlik is the current best MW, but is hardly proven as a great. Joe already beat Kessler, who many consider a better version of Pavlik, and of all the fighters listed, most think this would be Joe's easiest fight. The main attraction of Pavlik is that he is in his prime and is seen as the best in his division, and is a bit of a US goldenboy. I don't think joe beating him would really prove much though.

I half see what you mean, but the fact is, Hopkins beat Tarver, and nobody outside his fanbase wants to see him fight Calzaghe.. Same with Dawson. nobody in the UK knows who Tarver or Dawson are, and Joe's not going to want to fight someone who his fans have never heard of. Roy Jones jr on the other hand is very well known over here.

[GMitchell]

I'm going to have to call bull**** on that. Calzaghe only has one win at lightheavyweight, and that was against a 43 y/o who spent most of his career at 160. Pavlik still has work to do in his own weight class. Joe needs to beat some of the top 175 lb fighters to prove himself, not a middleweight.

Pavlik's frame would make him a very adequate SMW, and not realy when all of those fighters at LHW are behind a man he's already beaten.

[ßringer]

Though I can see the flipside to it as well, if Joe was to beat Kelly, he wouldn't get much credit for beating a guy coming up in weight. But I still think Kelly would put it on Joe, the high workrate coupled with the power in his volume of punches, I think Joe would eat it all night long. If a Hopkins right hand put Joe on his ass, a Kelly right hand would put his lights out.

[S A M U R A I]

Am I the only person here who thinks Kelly is very limited? Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly and have tons of respect for him, but his flaws are easy to see and I think a fighter like Joe would seriously expose those flaws.



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[GMitchell]

calzaghe vs pavlik would be exciting, not only cos of the styles but because they're both undefeated, and pavlik is universally recognised middleweight champ, calzaghe is universally recognised super middleweight champ... it just makes sense.

[ßringer]

Am I the only person here who thinks Kelly is very limited? Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly and have tons of respect for him, but his flaws are easy to see and I think a fighter like Joe would seriously expose those flaws.

I can see your point, and I'm a huge fan of Kelly's. But I think whatever flaws he may have are very limited in terms of being taken advantage of. I think he showed a lot of what he's made of in the second Taylor fight, more so than the first. He proved he can go toe-to-toe with a more athletically gifted fighter in a boxing match, and still **** em' out.

I think he would do the same with Calzaghe, as Calzaghe is a far superior all around athlete than Kelly is. But with the workrate Kelly has and the conviction behind his punches, I think he'd make up for any small flaws Joe might exploit.

I'd much rather see Calzaghe/Pavlik than Jones/Calzaghe.

[Scott9945]

Am I the only person here who thinks Kelly is very limited? Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly and have tons of respect for him, but his flaws are easy to see and I think a fighter like Joe would seriously expose those flaws.

I don't know if I'd call him very limited, but on the other hand I don't think he is seasoned enough yet to fight someone like Joe Calzaghe.

[C'MONMANG']

Tarver and Dawson appeal because they are the current US champs at LHW. Beating those two would partially unify the division and mean Calzaghe had effectively cleared it out (in some eyes). Great add to his legacy for the man who did the same at SMW.

Roy Jones is Roy Jones. He may be old but lots of people make him favourite. Bottom line he's the biggest name Joe could beat and it if he beat him Joe would have beaten the two greatest fighters of this era at or around his weight. Another great add to the legacy.

Pavlik is the current best MW, but is hardly proven as a great. Joe already beat Kessler, who many consider a better version of Pavlik, and of all the fighters listed, most think this would be Joe's easiest fight. The main attraction of Pavlik is that he is in his prime and is seen as the best in his division, and is a bit of a US goldenboy. I don't think joe beating him would really prove much though.

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[ßringer]

As for Tarver/Johnson and Dawson as possible Calzaghe opponets, I think Johnson would give Joe the best fight. I think Joe would easily beat Tarver and Dawson.

First of all Tarver's workrate isn't anywhere near Joe's, Joe would outhustle him in a very easy fight I see unfolding like a sparring session. Calzaghe by decision.

Dawson isn't anywhere near where people rank him in the Light Heavyweight division. He's fought a lot of tin cans and made his name by getting a bull**** decision over Johnson in a fight which many think Johnson spanked him. And this is an old Glen Johnson, it's not the prime Johnson that Hopkins took out 10 years ago. Still, Johnson managed to **** Dawson up despite being far past his prime.

I think Joe would toy with Dawson, like he did Lacy. Dawson has a better workrate but he doesn't have much that would keep Joe off of him for long.

Kelly Pavlik is the best opponet out there for Calzaghe right now, after Joe fights Roy. He's the only young, undefeated lion out there with a workrate that matches Joe's, and a name that will sell big.