How does A Cotto victory enhance Floyd's Legacy?

[Brandish]

Are you a Baldomir or Judah fan? Floyd fought Judah after Baldomir beat him.And neither of those guys are the best in the division, or even close.
It's painfully obvious Floyd hasn't fought the best in the division.

I wish he would.

abd cotto fought zab after floyd beat him

so which one is it are you saying zab and baldo were not good welterweights based on what. so the former undisputed chamopion at 147 is not a good welterweight baldo is not a good welterwight based on what criteria.

beating two former champions counts a hell of a lot more than carlos quintana and otkay urkal

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

People say that what Cotto represents is the most legitimate threat Floyd has faced in the last 6 years


On paper that maybe true.


But hypothetically speaking, what if Floyd makes him look like Baldomir or even scores a Tko in a one sided fight as there is a possibility that he might?

See before any of you start attacking me about not wanting my hero Floyd to fight Cotto, I want the fight to happen so all the talk can stop BUT while it's not happening lets get things clear. Usually when Floyd is the favorite to win and when no upsets happen and he wins like he won against Hatton........breakouts of overrated, past his prime come out.

A victory over a Top 10 P4P, 44-0, 2-division champion was criticized. A guy who actually beat a real champion in Tszyu to win his title, not just win vacant belts.

Cotto may have done it more impressive and the perception is that he is a bigger threat but what if he isnt? How is Cotto any better then Hatton on paper? How does a victory over Cotto figure into Mayweather's legacy? He won't go down as the greatest either way. For him to get any type of LEGACY ENHANCING credit, the victory would have to be the equivalent of Ali beating Frazier or Leonard beating Hearns. Is Cotto all that? If he isn't, what's the problem with him cashing in and going after the big money rematches? Oh yea the hardcore fans.......the same fans who didn't tune in to watch Cotto on Free HBO.

Floyd can fight whoever he wants. If he wants to cash in on his rematches that's on him. It's a solid match-up between the #1 and #2 fighters in the division. I think it's on par with Mayweather/Corrales. Yes people will try to discredit a win over Cotto, and some will do the opposite and give him too much credit. Mayweather is not the first or last fighter to have his career overanalyzed.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Is a Cotto-Mayweather fight a fight between two great fighters or will there be just one great fighter in that ring???

Is it a equivalent to SRL/Hearns or is it a contest between a Champion fighting just another challanger who happens to be worthy?


Thanks in advance.

I happen to think Cotto is a great fighter. Leonard/Hearns is a bad analogy, because Mayweather himself isn't as big as Leonard was at his peak. Honestly. National commercials, endorsements from companies that he DIDN'T own, a GOLD medal, and fighting other big names, in their primes. Nah, Mayweather isn't there, YET.

So, he's beneath Leonard in that perspective, about as much as Cotto is beneath Hearns. Therefore, the fight makes perfect sense.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=vladimir303;3417316]So let me get this straight. You were waiting since 2004 just for Floyd to fight Cotto, is that right?? You weren't thinking of any other fights at that time like him fighting Judah who was the undisputed champion or other more established fighters??

For the record, Cotto and Arum - the guy who Cotto says makes all the decisions didn't want anything to do with Floyd. Yeah he pushed his other product Margarito for the 8 mill but he kept Cotto pretty safe.[/QUOTE

Ok, in 2004 he chose to fight chop-chop then Sharmba Mitchell and host of assorted nobodies.

Margarito's camp offered him 8 million and he turned it down to fight who again?

It played out for him because he got to fight DLH for the moneylater, so he's never fought the best at welter.

DLH was irrelevant at that point in his career.

If you want to trot out Baldomir as a career defining victory, you need help.

or Sharmba Mitchell.

ADMIT IT. HIS LEGACY AT WELTER isn't there.

[Vladimir303]

I happen to think Cotto is a great fighter. Leonard/Hearns is a bad analogy, because Mayweather himself isn't as big as Leonard was at his peak. Honestly. National commercials, endorsements from companies that he DIDN'T own, a GOLD medal, and fighting other big names, in their primes. Nah, Mayweather isn't there, YET.

So, he's beneath Leonard in that perspective, about as much as Cotto is beneath Hearns. Therefore, the fight makes perfect sense.

Alright, fair enough.

[Guest]

abd cotto fought zab after floyd beat him

so which one is it are you saying zab and baldo were not good welterweights based on what. so the former undisputed chamopion at 147 is not a good welterweight baldo is not a good welterwight based on what criteria.

beating two former champions counts a hell of a lot more than carlos quintana and otkay urkal

Apparently, you are slow. I am not a Cotto fan. Floyd has fought no one at welter and you know it.

[Scott9945]

If you read the whole thing you would know why it's being asked.

It's not an attempt to push a Anti-Cotto agenda.....it's a question of just how great is really Cotto right now? Are people on his nuts because they believe he will beat Floyd and will make excuses if he gets beat like they did with Hatton or is he the real deal?

Because with Floyd it's always that if he defeated a great fighter, he was past his prime. If he beats a young prime fighter, then they overrated. That's the reason for the question.

To me this is fan paranoia. It reminds of the Roy Jones fans from the 1990's making excuses for him not fighting Nunn and Michalczewski. Even if fans don't give him the credit he deserves, history will redeem him. Lennox Lewis never got the credit he deserves until he beat a totally shot Mike Tyson. Boxing is funny that way. But as long as he is being paid a reasonable fee (and you know he'll make plenty fighting Cotto), there is no excuse for not fighting the top challengers in your own division.

[Horus]

Some of the same arguments used against Cotto vs. Floyd
were being used against Floyd vs. Oscar

Some Floyd Fans are just using the same standard and credible stipulations Place on Floyd...to fight Oscar....

On Cotto vs. Floyd ..

That's just how it goes...

Us Floyd fans had to wait 6 years for Floyd to Fight Oscar...
So how you think we felt about that....

But we didnt ***** and complain as bad as you cotto fans are doing...
We just set back as we watch Our fighter stack up victories and boost his market appeal and boxing prestige so he could get a fight with Oscar...

We Waited 6 years for the fight to happen....
and when it happen we were vindicated....and we rubbed it in Oscar Fans Faces....



Soo.....now you Cotto fans know how it feels to be fan of a fighter when credible stipulations and standards are put on your fighter as to why he might not fight another fighter THAT YOU WANT HIM TO FIGHT

....EVEN AFTER you think YOUR FIGHTER HAS PROVEN THAT HE SHOULD FIGHT THE OTHER FIGHTER....

and it makes you mad when those arguments are credible why the fight might not happen or why it isnt happening...


Welcome to THE CLUB...!!!


Look at HBO making the argument that Floyd isnt a big enough star to fight Oscar..!!!

3:20-on









WHAT I DONT GET IS WHY DIDNT THEY PUSH THE
FLOYD VS. OSCAR FIGHT

LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH THE
COTTO VS FLOYD FIGHT.....


WHAT KIND OF DOUBLE STANDARD IS THAT......!!!!!

@ Larry Merchant and STEWARD

[Vladimir303]

[QUOTE=jreckoning;3417335]

So let me get this straight. You were waiting since 2004 just for Floyd to fight Cotto, is that right?? You weren't thinking of any other fights at that time like him fighting Judah who was the undisputed champion or other more established fighters??

For the record, Cotto and Arum - the guy who Cotto says makes all the decisions didn't want anything to do with Floyd. Yeah he pushed his other product Margarito for the 8 mill but he kept Cotto pretty safe.[/QUOTE

Ok, in 2004 he chose to fight chop-chop then Sharmba Mitchell and host of assorted nobodies.

Margarito's camp offered him 8 million and he turned it down to fight who again?

It played out for him because he got to fight DLH for the moneylater, so he's never fought the best at welter.

DLH was irrelevant at that point in his career.

If you want to trot out Baldomir as a career defining victory, you need help.

or Sharmba Mitchell.

ADMIT IT. HIS LEGACY AT WELTER isn't there.

You missed the point and you are all over the place. Cotto WAS NOT a welterweight in 2004. That's what I asked you.

Cotto when he was a WBO title holder at 140 didn't want anything to do with Floyd. Floyd in November 2006, looked to fight Shane Mosley but he said he wanted to take a vacation and had tooth problems so Floyd went after the Current and Real champion at that time Carlos Baldomir.

Cotto just moved up to welter during that time period.

Get your time table straight.

[BmoreBrawler]

Vlad, you already know the answer. Cotto is the best fighter at Floyd's weight.