what if: James Toney vs. Joe Calzaghe @ 168 (Prime for prime)

[Technical_Skill]

Once again, Joe Calzaghe has never been beaten by anyone, unlike James Toney. I could use similar logic to yours and say "How is Joe Calzaghe, who has never been beaten, going to get beat by James Toney?" It wouldn't be a strong argument, but it would be as strong as yours.

Whoever said Calzaghe was like Marvin Hagler was wrong, but that doesn't mean all Calzaghe fans are wrong too. You may not like Calzaghe, but you need to open your eyes and se him for the talented, and above all winning boxer he is. You, like many on this forum seem to make the implicit assumption that your favourite US fighters, like Toney, are de facto "good", whereas fighters like Calzaghe constantly have to prove themselves. You say the forum is in trouble because of the opinions of Calzaghe fans, but if anything it is the other way around. Because you cannot credit Calzaghe you cast your net far and wide and you always find some fighter who would beat Calzaghe, in your eyes because simply because of who that fighter is, but in reality because you like that fighter and dislike Calzaghe. Your position is the antithesis of reasonable.

As for the question of how/if Calzaghe could beat SMW Toney, by outthinking him or otherwise: I have not seen as much of Toney as I have of Calzaghe but if Joe faced the Toney we saw against Roy Jones he would beat him all day long. That Toney was slow, one dimensional and had no clue what to change up to give himself a chance against Roy. Calzaghe would comfortably outpoint him. You may argue that Toney only looked that way by comparison to Roy, but that is just not true, he was all the things I say in that fight if you watch with honest eyes and mind.

Joe Calzaghe has been fighting and beating boxers for 45 fights as a pro and 20+ as champ. In a way I think it is complimentary to him that the only fights people talk about him losing are ones that never happened, against opponents he would probably have beaten anyway. RJJ would probably have been a different story, but the fact remains that at this point, the only boxer who would beat Calzaghe exists only in the imagination of his detractors.

1)Are you crazy? we are talking about PRIME james toney, not thw weight-drained on a drip Toney the night before the fight with roy jones. So that post was totally off point (again)

2) If calzaghe couldnt land on a 43 year old hopkins, how the **** would he land on a prime james toney? Please tell me, what punches would toney not be able see coming?

3) For the last time, Joe calzaghe is no roy jones, please dont compare the two

4) Your argument about toney losing is ******, toney never fought bums like tocker pudwill, at around age 22 he knocked out arguably the best fighter in the world, and moved up from 160- heavy, please dont compare toney's level of opposition to calzaghe's ever, toney would have had exactly the same record as calzaghe if he'd have fought the likes of Lacy Kessler, eubank Ashira, anyone.

5) How is calzaghe going to get beat by toney? You ever seen toney fight? You think throwing the wide ass punches he couldnt land on hopkins wouldnt get his ass countered hard? You think toney doesnt have knockout power at that weight? You think calzaghe's punches would hurt a guy who fought heavyweight punchers and didnt get stopped?

You people are killing this forum, Calzaghe is a world class fighter, but you guys smoke his **** so much im sure you must have some form of respiratory illness. The guy has clear cut limitations you always ignore and you create ****** and ****** ways for him to win fights logic says he wouldnt.

Like that dude who try to claim calzaghe would outthink toney.

Who was the calzaghe fan who said Kessler had more or equal power to Toney?

Your an idiot.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

Toney by TKO, he'd pick holes in Calzaghe's "defense" all night. Also how would Calzaghe hurt Toney?

[RichCCFC]

How would Toney TKO Calzaghe, what a joke

This is another case of Americans thinkng thier boxers are superior to ours.

[TheGreatA]

How would Toney TKO Calzaghe, what a joke

This is another case of Americans thinkng thier boxers are superior to ours.

Many people who are picking Toney by TKO are actually British/European, it's not completely outlandish. I don't really see it happening but it could happen.

Toney carried a lot of power in his counter right (the punch Calzaghe is the most vulnerable to) and he finished a fight well when he had to (for example against Nunn and Littles).
Calzaghe has a tendency to lose focus during fights and he often gets hit with punches he shouldn't be hit by...

If Joe was dropped like he was against Mitchell and Hopkins, Toney would go right to work.

Toney did knock out some guys even at cruiserweight.


Toney at SMW


Toney at CW


Toney's performance against Iran Barkley was every bit as good as Calzaghe's against Jeff Lacy, if not even better. 4:24 in the vid, how is that for handspeed?

[IMDAZED]

Many people who are picking Toney by TKO are actually British/European, it's not completely outlandish. I don't really see it happening but it could happen.

Toney carried a lot of power in his counter right (the punch Calzaghe is the most vulnerable to) and he finished a fight well when he had to (for example against Nunn and Littles).
Calzaghe has a tendency to lose focus during fights and he often gets hit with punches he shouldn't be hit by...

If Joe was dropped like he was against Mitchell and Hopkins, Toney would go right to work.

Toney did knock out some guys even at cruiserweight.


Toney at SMW


Toney at CW


Toney's performance against Iran Barkley was every bit as good as Calzaghe's against Jeff Lacy, if not even better. 4:24 in the vid, how is that for handspeed?

Except Iran Barkley was ten times the fighter Lacy was - even on his worst night.

[Technical_Skill]

Except Iran Barkley was ten times the fighter Lacy was - even on his worst night.

What about Rick Thornberry? calzaghe beat him and he was a real fighter.

[IMDAZED]

What about Rick Thornberry? calzaghe beat him and he was a real fighter.

I missed your joke.

[TheGreatA]

Except Iran Barkley was ten times the fighter Lacy was - even on his worst night.

That's why it was better, also the fact that Toney managed to stop Barkley although Calzaghe would've stopped Lacy as well had Lacy's cornermen known their fighter as well as Barkley's cornermen did.

Fighters like Barkley and Lacy never want to quit, they always want that one more round so you have to pull them out.
Just look at Lacy now, nothing like he used to be because of the prolonged beating he took.

[sparked_85]

Toney might stop Joe, he was special.

[Technical_Skill]

I missed your joke.

Nevermind, wasnt the stuff of legends anyways.

Point is, i think people mistake the difference between high output and effective output, calzaghe could throw alot of shots against toney, but if they get blocked or dont land, its not effective, he comes in so unprotected, doesnt have a particulary meaningful jab to offset toney, calzaghe would be leading all the time with all kind of shots, and toney would counter him so hard it wouldnt even be funny.