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Originally posted by 2501 View Postif he beats margarito, this is how the WW division would look
CHAMP : FLOYD MAYWEATHER 39-0 (25)
1. MIGUEL COTTO 32-0 (26)
2. SHANE MOSLEY 44-5 (37) beaten by Cotto
3. CARLOS QUINTANA 25-1 (19) beaten by Cotto
4. PAUL WILLIAMS 33-1 (24)
5. ANTONIO MARGARITO 36-5 (26) beaten by Cotto
6. ZAB JUDAH 36-5 (25) beaten by Cotto
7. JOSHUA CLOTTEY 34-2 (20)
8. LUIS COLLAZO 28-3 (13)
9. KERMIT CINTRON 29-2 (27)
10. JACKSON BONSU 27-1 (23)
For anyone to say that Cotto has not done enough in his WW career to earn a shot at the Undisputed WW Champion is quite ****ing ridiculous.
If Williams wins the rematch against Carlos Quintana then Cotto should fight him after Margarito. (Because Floyd obviously wont fight Cotto) After he beats Williams then Floyd will have no choice but to fight Cotto because thats literally cleaning up the top 5 fighters after floyd and cotto. there wont be any excuses or anyone else to fight and cotto will only get more popular and better.
floyd wil be pressured to fight him or retire or leave the division
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QUESTION:
If Cotto had 10,000 traveling fans, or Cotto could draw 400-500K, don't you think this fight would be scheduled already?
I do.
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Cotto beat a gold medalist and Sugar Shane Mosely. He hasn't been spectatuar but hes only 27, I personally think Mayweather would beat him by two or three rounds.Cotto-Gomez deserved to have low ratings, and Cotto coming out not finishing him off in the third round was bad.
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Originally posted by Xplosivo View PostCotto doesn't need to chase Floyd...He can continue to fight the top Welterweights it will only make Floyd look bad.
If Williams wins the rematch against Carlos Quintana then Cotto should fight him after Margarito. (Because Floyd obviously wont fight Cotto) After he beats Williams then Floyd will have no choice but to fight Cotto because thats literally cleaning up the top 5 fighters after floyd and cotto. there wont be any excuses or anyone else to fight and cotto will only get more popular and better.
floyd wil be pressured to fight him or retire or leave the division
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Originally posted by NAPO View Postwhat makes u think quintana will lose the rematch?
wait let me make it more clear
IF WILLIAMS
better?
If quintana wins cotto doesn't need to fight him because he has already destroyed him but if Williams wins then Cotto should fight him since there is no one else to fight in the 147 division because most people know floyd wont because he just wants money.
now tell me what makes you think cotto beats mayweather beside him being of the same heritage, a PR like yourself?
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Originally posted by DWiens421 View PostWell that is precisely what he is doing by fighting Margarito, even if he has already been stripped of the belt. He is the true champion, even if he doesn't face some loser who is considered his mandatory by the IBF and gets stripped because of it.
He has also slaughtered Quintana... why in god's name would he rematch him? That fight was a brutal beatdown. The Mayweather-Hatton rematch makes more sense IMO, and that is saying a lot.
So I guess the question to you is, does he need to be the champion in spirit (which he clearly would be by beating Margarito, because he would hold wins over the stripped IBF champ and the current WBO champ, as well as being the WBA champ), or does he actually need to hold the paper belts over his shoulder after taking two useless fights (the winner of the vacant IBF title and a rematch with Quintana)?
why in god's name would he rematch him?
Because Quintana is the Champion, if it would be so easy why not take that belt. Quicker than he did last time... Cotto Didnt Beat Quintana when Quintana was a champion. It is a world of difference fighting somebody when they are a Champion, rather then beating them when they are a contender..
And I dont think I need to explain the difference....
But For Argument sake let's move on.....
Cotto is a good fighter..... But if he was to fight Mayweather right now....
Only thing Cotto would be consider as is "Mayweather biggest threat"
It wouldnt be a fight in which two great fighters are fighting each other...
It would be another...
"Mayweather could possibly lose this fight..."
not
"Cotto could win this fight" Or "This fight would determine who is the greatest"
because cotto havent done enough to be consider to be the great..
But If cotto beat Mayweather he would be like the fighter in your Avi..
"Vernon Forrest"
Yeah he Beat Mosely, but what other great fighters have he beaten in thier prime
You get my point...!!
I want think fight to determine something...
I dont want to fight just prove Mayweather is the best, because we already know he is the best..
You get my point..!Last edited by Horus; 04-27-2008, 06:00 PM.
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Originally posted by Horus View PostWhat cotto fans dont realize is that Cotto is only a challenge to mayweather, he is not a great fighter, Cotto is on the cusp of greatness but he is not a great fighter...
He is not a Pacquaio
He is not a Bernard Hopkins
He is not a Eric Morales
He is not a Marco Antonio Barrera
He is not a Roy Jones Jr.
He is not a Oscar De La Hoya
He is not a Felix Trinidad
He is not a Winky Wright
He is not a Joe Calzaghe
He is not a great fighter... Cotto status right now is
"Mayweather biggest threat"
How many times have we heard that before....???
Castillo
Hatton
Corralles
De la hoya
Baldomir
Judah
See the problem with being the biggest challenge to Mayweather is.....
After Mayweather beats that Challenger... That so called Challenger becomes a "BUM"....
And Miguel Cotto would be label a the lastest "Bum" floyd beat, after he loses to Floyd...Because he has not yet earned the right to be called a great fighter because he havent put himself in a position to be in a great fight...
Being the biggest challenge to Mayweather doesnt make a GREAT fighter..!
Fighting Top Competition and winning makes you a great Fighter
And Cotto has yet to fight a young, Prime,active,p4p fighter yet....
Cotto needs to get those other two belts. To make a fight with Mayweather a great fight...In which TWO GREAT fighters would be fighting, Not Just ONE....
Cotto vs. Mayweather is about Mayweather beating a another top Challenger...
It is not a De la hoya vs.Trinidad were two great fighters are fighting to prove who is the best.
It is not a SRL vs. Marvin Hagler
It is not a SRL vs. Duran
It is not a ALi vs. Frazior
It is not a Holyfield vs. Bowe
It is not a SRR vs. Jake LaMotta
It is not a Whitaker vs. Chavez
It is not a Aaron Pryor vs. Alexis Arguello
This fight could be more like Ali vs.Terrell was people thought Terrell was to big for ali, Ali could not run around against terrell, like he did against everybody else.Terrell would be Ali's "biggest challenge"....
And Everybody knows what Happen in that Fight...!!
But if Cotto goes out and get those two belts and the status of a great fighter... the fight could end up like the
De La hoya vs. Trinidad Fight..!!
The narrative would be exactly the same...!!
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Originally posted by Horus View PostThe Answer to your question is this:
why in god's name would he rematch him?
Because Quintana is the Champion, if it would be so easy why not take that belt. Quicker than he did last time... Cotto Didnt Beat Quintana when Quintana was a champion. It is a world of difference fighting somebody when they are a Champion, rather then beating them when they are a contender..
And I dont think I need to explain the difference....
But For Argument sake let's move on.....
Cotto is a good fighter..... But if he was to fight Mayweather right now....
Only thing Cotto would be consider as is "Mayweather biggest threat"
It wouldnt be a fight in which two great fighters are fighting each other...
It would be another...
"Mayweather could possibly lose this fight..."
not
"Cotto could win this fight" Or "This fight would determine who is the greatest"
because cotto havent done enough to be consider to be the great..
If cotto beat Mayweather he would be like the fighter in your Avi..
"Vernon Forrest"
Yeah he Beat Mosely, but what other great fighters have he beaten...
You get my point...!!
I want think fight to determine something...
I dont want to fight just prove Mayweather is the best, because we already know he is the best..
You get my point..!
You make it seem like Floyd is worlds above everybody and that there needs to be a 30 fighters Royal Rumble to determine a worthy challanger to Floyd's throne to fight him at BoxingMania or something.
I defend Floyd but you overanalyze things way too much. Make up your mind what you expect of Cotto to do.
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