Who will win Mayweather vs Cotto?

[2501]

Ok fair enough. If someone does that though after the Cotto fight you can Mayweather's lawyer and defend him on that.

ive done it before and id do it again.

[Bad_Barracuda]

2501 the thing is someone will bring a new name up and say floyd was ducking this guy if he beats cotto, it never ends man. And they will use this thread to back it up that "floyd was supposed to beat him so im not impressed" well he is "supposed" to beat everyone in his division but people will never give him the props he deserves until he eventually retires. Look back at my threads on how I have always, ALWAYS said cotto is a great fighter, I also picked him to beat Trinidad a few years ago when Cotto had only 1 fight at Welterweight. I just dont think he can beat Floyd, Stylistically this is floyd's fight. I've looked at his fights with Gomez and Mosley and I honestly dont think this matchup is good for him, ofcourse everyone wants to see this fight and it should happen, I just think after watching their last two fights (Both cotto and floyd) that Floyd will win an easy decision (117-111).

That's one helluva post..

[2501]

the thing is that its a small MINORITY who says this which doesnt really mean ****. its not even worth discussing. Who said Floyd was ducking Baldomir? Who said Floyd was ducking DLH? Who said Floyd was ducking Hatton? No one, thats because Floyd actively pursued those fights. Floyd fanatics keeps saying that a new name is brought up, he beats him and then its someone else. WHERE!? Floyd hasnt been fighting who the fans are asking for him to fight. He hasnt fought Mosley, he hasnt fought Margarito and he hasnt fought Cotto. Thats who the fans keep saying he is ducking. Now I'm not saying he ducked them, that isnt the point of my post, but Floyd fanatics, not you, but his fanatics ALWAYS ALWAYS say ****** **** like,

"Everyone thought Baldomir/DLH/Hatton was gonna KO Floyd but he proved the haters wrong lolol!!!"

"Everyone was saying Floyd was ducking Baldomir/DLH/Hatton but he beat them and now its someone else lololol!!!"

Why? No one cared for Baldomir, DLH was all HYPE and even then Floyd was STILL the favorite in the fight, no one was even thinkin bout Hatton untill Hatton opened his mouth and it was mostly BRITISH fans making the noise.

Now this "someone" that you talk about, this "someone" arent just people on this forum or other forums, but Boxing Writers, Boxing Analysts and Boxing FANS. THIS is the fight the world wants. The demand from the PUBLIC for this fight is 100 X that of against Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton. The large PPV buys arent a product of demand rather than promotion and hype. ANYONE with any common sense or even a HINT of Marketing knowledge knows this. Was Floyd HARRASED 24/7 about Baldomir, DLH, Hatton like he is about Cotto? Was Floyd asked about these dudes EVERYWHERE he went asking if he was going to fight them? Of course not (but im sure a Floyd fanatic is gonna reply that the world WAS demanding those fights, it never fails). There is NO ONE ELSE for Floyd to fight LOGICALLY unless he is willing to **** with Mosley, but aint no one even demanding that anymore.

see, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about

See these are the kind of Threads that get to me, before Mayweather fought Hatton everybody thought he had a chance and Called Hatton a Top Fighter...
And After Mayweather Knocks Hatton...
Hatton becomes a piece of ****...

This is why Mayweather fans Demand more out of Mayweather Opponenets...So that when Mayweather beats them... Nobody can discredit his win like they do with all his other fights...

Yall point out a couple of threads where an individual makes a case in which EVEN THE MAJORITY OF POSTERS IN THE THREAD DISAGREE and continue to say "everybody" shared the same idea.

OF COURSE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT SO AND SO WILL BEAT FLOYD!! ITS NATURAL!! BUT THESE 2-5 PEOPLE ARENT A MAJORITY!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ton+Mayweather

is that "EVERYBODY"? That shows a MAJORITY CONSENSUS.

[GTL]

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[Vladimir303]

the thing is that its a small MINORITY who says this which doesnt really mean ****. its not even worth discussing. Who said Floyd was ducking Baldomir? Who said Floyd was ducking DLH? Who said Floyd was ducking Hatton? No one, thats because Floyd actively pursued those fights. Floyd fanatics keeps saying that a new name is brought up, he beats him and then its someone else. WHERE!? Floyd hasnt been fighting who the fans are asking for him to fight. He hasnt fought Mosley, he hasnt fought Margarito and he hasnt fought Cotto. Thats who the fans keep saying he is ducking. Now I'm not saying he ducked them, that isnt the point of my post, but Floyd fanatics, not you, but his fanatics ALWAYS ALWAYS say ****** **** like,

"Everyone thought Baldomir/DLH/Hatton was gonna KO Floyd but he proved the haters wrong lolol!!!"

"Everyone was saying Floyd was ducking Baldomir/DLH/Hatton but he beat them and now its someone else lololol!!!"

Why? No one cared for Baldomir, DLH was all HYPE and even then Floyd was STILL the favorite in the fight, no one was even thinkin bout Hatton untill Hatton opened his mouth and it was mostly BRITISH fans making the noise.

Now this "someone" that you talk about, this "someone" arent just people on this forum or other forums, but Boxing Writers, Boxing Analysts and Boxing FANS. THIS is the fight the world wants. The demand from the PUBLIC for this fight is 100 X that of against Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton. The large PPV buys arent a product of demand rather than promotion and hype. ANYONE with any common sense or even a HINT of Marketing knowledge knows this. Was Floyd HARRASED 24/7 about Baldomir, DLH, Hatton like he is about Cotto? Was Floyd asked about these dudes EVERYWHERE he went asking if he was going to fight them? Of course not (but im sure a Floyd fanatic is gonna reply that the world WAS demanding those fights, it never fails). There is NO ONE ELSE for Floyd to fight LOGICALLY unless he is willing to **** with Mosley, but aint no one even demanding that anymore.

You're wrong about this. For period of time people thought Floyd was ducking Baldomir after Carlos defeated Judah and managed to Ko Gatti. For a period of time in 2006, Floyd didn't have an opponent for November. He wanted to fight Mosley but mosley said he had tooth problems. After that for a while it looked like he was gonna move up and fight IBF 154 champ Cory Spinks and that's where people really started with the "Floyd is not only ducking Margarito but Baldomir as well" talk. That talk quickly shut down because he took the fight and it didn't get any build up as the Cotto fight now.


With Ricky Hatton, there was a perception that Floyd moving up to 147 without fighting the real 140lb champion was Floyd's fault and those accusations were countered when Ricky said that he needed a few tune-up fights to get ready for Floyd.

So yeah you're right, the Margarito and Cotto ducking talk is bigger then those but thats because Floyd made it so by not fighting them. It still doesn't mean that there was no "Floyd is ducking Baldomir/Hatton talk. The main point here is.....that people always look to use the "Floyd is ducking (insert name here)" theory once it looks like that he will not fight a certain individual.

[2501]

The main point here is.....that people always look for the "Floyd is duckiing (insert name here)" once it looks like that he will not fight a certain individual"[/B][/COLOR]

thats not just relative to Floyd though and its ALWAYS a small majority because Floyd doesnt fight who the people want him to fight. the talk of "people want him to fight this guy and when he beats that guy, theres always someone else" is just pure bull****. the only way that would even be a credible argument or statement is if were to actually fight who he is being called to fight.

[Fox McCloud]

In truth, all of the top level fighters have someone they are perceived to be "ducking".

Pacquiao is ducking Guzman apparently.
Calzaghe will be ducking Pavlik if he fights Jones (lol at the notion of that)

There is some truth to this Mayweather/Cotto thing though. It does seem unlike anything previous to this in Mayweather's career.

[Horus]

What cotto fans dont realize is that Cotto is only a challenge to mayweather, he is not a great fighter, Cotto is on the cusp of greatness but he is not a great fighter...

He is not a Pacquaio
He is not a Bernard Hopkins
He is not a Eric Morales
He is not a Marco Antonio Barrera
He is not a Roy Jones Jr.
He is not a Oscar De La Hoya
He is not a Felix Trinidad
He is not a Winky Wright
He is not a Joe Calzaghe


He is not a great fighter... Cotto status right now is
"Mayweather biggest threat"

How many times have we heard that before....???
Castillo
Hatton
Corralles
De la hoya
Baldomir
Judah


See the problem with being the biggest challenge to Mayweather is.....
After Mayweather beats that Challenger... That so called Challenger becomes a "BUM"....

And Miguel Cotto would be label a the lastest "Bum" floyd beat, after he loses to Floyd...Because he has not yet earned the right to be called a great fighter because he havent put himself in a position to be in a great fight...


Being the biggest challenge to Mayweather doesnt make a GREAT fighter..!
Fighting Top Competition and winning makes you a great Fighter


And Cotto has yet to fight a young, Prime,active,p4p fighter yet....
Cotto needs to get those other two belts. To make a fight with Mayweather a great fight...In which TWO GREAT fighters would be fighting, Not Just ONE....


Cotto vs. Mayweather is about Mayweather beating a another top Challenger...

It is not a De la hoya vs.Trinidad were two great fighters are fighting to prove who is the best.

It is not a SRL vs. Marvin Hagler
It is not a SRL vs. Duran
It is not a ALi vs. Frazior
It is not a Holyfield vs. Bowe
It is not a SRR vs. Jake LaMotta
It is not a Whitaker vs. Chavez
It is not a Aaron Pryor vs. Alexis Arguello


This fight could be more like Ali vs.Terrell was people thought Terrell was to big for ali, Ali could not run around against terrell, like he did against everybody else.Terrell would be Ali's "biggest challenge"....
And Everybody knows what Happen in that Fight...!!

But if Cotto goes out and get those two belts and the status of a great fighter... the fight could end up like the

De La hoya vs. Trinidad Fight..!!
The narrative would be exactly the same...!!

[Vladimir303]

thats not just relative to Floyd though and its ALWAYS a small majority because Floyd doesnt fight who the people want him to fight. the talk of "people want him to fight this guy and when he beats that guy, theres always someone else" is just pure bull****. the only way that would even be a credible argument or statement is if were to actually fight who he is being called to fight.

As I've already told you in the post above. If he responds to a challange quickly enough the "ducking" talks doesn't spread out and people forget.

There is some ******ed Floyd fans who just don't know how to argue their points real well even though they could be right if they only knew how to make their case.

I know the time table of Floyd's rise to the top and talk of him being scared or ducking certains fightes. That kind of talk was going around well before Miguel Cotto. As I've told you, he was accused of ducking top competition at 140lb when in reality both Cotto and Hatton didn't want anything to do with him while they were at jr.welterweight. Bob Arum (you know the company guy Cotto tells us decides who he fights) never made an offer to Floyd to fight Cotto. He kept him safe but unstead pushed his other product Antonio Margarito down our throats with that phony 8million dollar offer he knew Floyd wasn't gonna take after they broke off their relationship.

Margarito wasn't even a factor at 147 at that time. That was the biggest hype job ever. Everybody was focusing on Floyd fighting Undisputed champ Judah at that time. What happen was Judah lost, Floyd still chose to fight him and Baldomir looked real good right about that time. Carlos beats Judah and knocks out Gatti and Floyd looks like he doesn't want anything to do with him looking to fight Cory Spinks. What happened was, Floyd quickly stopped negotiations with the Spinks camp and finally decided to fight the real champ in Baldomir. At that point, the majority forgot about Baldomir and went back on the Margarito bandwagon. Once Magarito fell of against Williams and Cotto got a nice knockout for the vacant WBA title against Quintana, everybody went on the Cotto bandwagon. Ricky Hatton calling out Floyd on national Tv after knocking out Castillo, got the Hatton supporters back in the mix.

How quick people forget.

[2501]

[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="3"]What cotto fans dont realize is that Cotto is only a challenge to mayweather, he is not a great fighter, Cotto is on the cusp of greatness but he is not a great fighter...

He is not a Pacquaio
He is not a Bernard Hopkins
He is not a Eric Morales
He is not a Marco Antonio Barrera
He is not a Roy Jones Jr.
He is not a Oscar De La Hoya
He is not a Felix Trinidad
He is not a Winky Wright
He is not a Joe Calzaghe


He is not a great fighter... Cotto status right now is
"Mayweather biggest threat"

you forgot to add Mitchell, Baldomir, and Hatton.