Cotto-Margarito West Bound, Vegas Caves In

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

How does change of venue mean something is up then? I mean there using the same gloves they would've used in NYC or the Staple Center.

The Cotto power thing is kinda based on perspective. I mean most people believe Margarito has good power but he uses 100+ punches a round to wear out his opponents. Cotto isn't quite as drastic as that but he has good heavy handed power just not that one punch amazing power that a Cintron or Judah have.

But I believe Cotto is one of the more powerful WW's out there. I would have Cintron, Berto, Judah, Mosley all ahead of him.

I would put him above Clottey, Williams, Quintana, Margarito, Collazo, PBF or the 147lb Hatton. Not too bad on the power tree.

Wil agree with you in the part that power is but perspective. But not in the part that judah and Mosley are above of Cotto. I Think power is based on style. like you said Margos power is based on throwing 100+ Punches per round, Mosleys power is based on speed, and Cottos power is based on Body punching and timming. I think to guys that were realy one punch ko artist were Mike Tyson and Tito Trinidad!

[deanrw]

Wil agree with you in the part that power is but perspective. But not in the part that judah and Mosley are above of Cotto. I Think power is based on style. like you said Margos power is based on throwing 100+ Punches per round, Mosleys power is based on speed, and Cottos power is based on Body punching and timming. I think to guys that were realy one punch ko artist were Mike Tyson and Tito Trinidad!

Tyson was not really a one punch KO guy...he could hurt guys with one punch, but he would usually tear them apart with a few shots.

Tito did have one punch power, Julian Jackson did.

Cotto is more like a Kelly Pavlik type of power. Heavy hands that hurt guys consistently, even if they see the punches, wears them down until they just cannot take it anymore. Thudding shots that just accumulate and take a toll.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Tyson was not really a one punch KO guy...he could hurt guys with one punch, but he would usually tear them apart with a few shots.

Tito did have one punch power, Julian Jackson did.

Cotto is more like a Kelly Pavlik type of power. Heavy hands that hurt guys consistently, even if they see the punches, wears them down until they just cannot take it anymore. Thudding shots that just accumulate and take a toll.

Yeah! Good comparison with Pavlik, I agree on that!

[BOLLOCKS]

This is great news for the Mexican fighter.

[Left2body]

Wil agree with you in the part that power is but perspective. But not in the part that judah and Mosley are above of Cotto. I Think power is based on style. like you said Margos power is based on throwing 100+ Punches per round, Mosleys power is based on speed, and Cottos power is based on Body punching and timming. I think to guys that were realy one punch ko artist were Mike Tyson and Tito Trinidad!

I was speaking in terms of one punch potential power which is what I believe Addison is basing his power on. I believe Mosley, Judah and Cotto all landed ONE of there best shots that Mosley and Judah have a better chance of KOing there opponent.

Cotto's heavy handed power is not as based on speed as them so his power doesn't drop as much as there's throughout the fight. When they lose there snap in there punches they lose a lot of there power. Cotto's heavy hands while less powerful initially is more consistent. I would also say from mid to late rounds Cotto is the more powerful puncher because of this. I think thats why you'll see heavy handed guys with more late round KO's and less early round KO's than speedy power guys, i.e. Pac, Mosley, Judah.

[Scoooter]

Right, he wreaked havoc on there bodies. All over.

Watch the end of this GIF:

Damn, straight up kidney shot. Almost like what he dropped Quintana with, if memory serves. Hope Gomez wasn't pissing blood that night.



By the by, I made this post weeks ago:

Part of it has to do with the fact that he doesn't have that much power. Above average to be sure, but not the one-and-done stuff of the likes of Tommy Hearns. So, he'll catch you clean on the face with a hard shot, but you won't go down, you won't go back, you probably won't get wobbled or buzzed, you'll just feel it. Big time. And he'll hit you again and again and again until the accumulation (and subsequent damage) makes you stop. Plus, his reliance on the body attack is obvious.

It's similar to the situation with Kelly Pavlik. He won't Julian Jackson, backfoot cold-**** you, but he'll wear your face into mush over a series of rounds. Look at what happened to Edison Miranda.

I think there's a term that can be applied, one that describes a puncher's power in rather abstract and scientifically unfounded terms, but nevertheless seems to be quite apt in the occasionally physically counterintuitve world of boxing. "Heavy handed". Kelly Pavlik and Miguel Cotto are heavy handed, in the sense that, no matter where they hit you, it hurts, and it feels like they're actually packing rocks instead of fists.

It's applicable here as well.

[deanrw]

Yeah! Good comparison with Pavlik, I agree on that!

Yeah it is Kinda like a George Foreman type of punch Power, they carry weight behind them, not snap. Those punches move you and punish you. That is why Cotto really hurts guys to the body...his punches really dig in there.

[deanrw]

Damn, straight up kidney shot. Almost like what he dropped Quintana with, if memory serves. Hope Gomez wasn't pissing blood that night.



By the by, I made this post weeks ago:



It's applicable here as well.

Too funny Scooter. You and i thought on the exact same terms, comparing Cotto and Pavlik's power.

[Scoooter]

It always amuses me to think Miguel Cotto, at 5'7", and Tommy Hearns, at 6'1", fought in the same weight class. And Tommy probably had faster hands too.

The Hitman truly was a freak. In a good way.

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

I was speaking in terms of one punch potential power which is what I believe Addison is basing his power on. I believe Mosley, Judah and Cotto all landed ONE of there best shots that Mosley and Judah have a better chance of KOing there opponent.

Cotto's heavy handed power is not as based on speed as them so his power doesn't drop as much as there's throughout the fight. When they lose there snap in there punches they lose a lot of there power. Cotto's heavy hands while less powerful initially is more consistent. I would also say from mid to late rounds Cotto is the more powerful puncher because of this. I think thats why you'll see heavy handed guys with more late round KO's and less early round KO's than speedy power guys, i.e. Pac, Mosley, Judah.

Good post. I have to agree with that and thats something that boxing fans realize the longer they're fans on the different forms of power there is. Mayweather's KO of Hatton was a perfectly timed, speed KO that Ricky never saw coming. That was that version of power. Tito's was like a gunshot when he landed his left hook on someones head. Cotto's is like Pavliks which is more of a heavy handed, consistent, thudding beating over time. Plus if I recall Quintana, Judah, and now Gomez have all said that he wasn't the hardest puncher they've faced, which at first blush sounds ****** because at least for Quintana and Gomez that was their first loss by KO's but in knowing what kind of power he has (which isn't 1 punch KO) makes sense.