On Antonio Margarito...

[adrsan84]

I didn't think Pacquiao looked good at all against Barrera in the rematch.

I agree, some are falling too much in love. I give him his due for what he has accomplished. I just won't say he is a great fighter until he beats other great fighters.

Just look at the punchstat numbers if you don't think he won more convincingly, or watch the fight compared to the first one. Last time Kermit quit, this time he got beat into submission and stopped.

[pesticid]

When people look at Cotto and Marg I think they see a similar amount of hype. As a result they see a similar product. The fact is.. Cotto has tested himself against more adverse situations And.. IMO he appears to be a more talented fighter. His hand speed is underrated.. Also, he's got power to go with that speed, and possibly most important of all is that he's strong mentally. For me, the story isn't that Margarito is "so so" it's simply that Mayweather is exceptional and Cotto is somewhere in the same ballpark. We have no reason at all to believe that Margarito deserves to be looked at on the same plane as these two guys.

That's why they have to fight cause on paper Roy Jones destroys both TArver and Johnson on the same night. On paper everybody beats Glen Johnson, you know what I mean. That's why Floyd's been hated on, cause if you want to be the best you have to fight the best. Glen Johnson said it best though. That's what boxing is about. When you go to the olympics you don't pick and choose. You fight the next best guy in line.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Just look at the punchstat numbers if you don't think he won more convincingly, or watch the fight compared to the first one. Last time Kermit quit, this time he got beat into submission and stopped.

Kermit quit in this fight; but he just didn't make it look so obvious. He knew he had to box, stay on the outside and move... but he couldn't do it. He resorted to his old ways. He might not've quit, but he gave up trying to win the right way pretty fast.

[DrewWoodside]

That's why they have to fight cause on paper Roy Jones destroys both TArver and Johnson on the same night. On paper everybody beats Glen Johnson, you know what I mean. That's why Floyd's been hated on, cause if you want to be the best you have to fight the best. Glen Johnson said it best though. That's what boxing is about. When you go to the olympics you don't pick and choose. You fight the next best guy in line.

This is true with RJJ and Tarver.. I do think Glen Johnson should have walked into many fights as even money had it not been for the fact that he so frequently fought in other people's backyard so often. With that said I think Cotto and Margarito definitely should fight.. I just think it gets a little silly when people continually repeat Margarito has an iron chin and it is physically impossible to stop him.. But I suppose that is the trend with forums. I mean after Haye beat Macca people were genuinely ready to hand him a heavyweight unification.

[pesticid]

If you look the fight on paper. Cotto's been very good against tall fighters. Margarito faced Lujan who is similarly built to Cotto and arguably lost 4 of the first 6 rounds before putting him away. Also, Cotto has struggled against pressure fighters, who have a chin and are determined. Tony has all that and more. Tony has thrown the most punches in a fight, ever.

It's close but I can't bet against Cotto, he just gets smarter and smarter.

[DrewWoodside]

If you look the fight on paper. Cotto's been very good against tall fighters. Margarito faced Lujan who is similarly built to Cotto and arguably lost 4 of the first 6 rounds before putting him away. Also, Cotto has struggled against pressure fighters, who have a chin and are determined. Tony has all that and more. Tony has thrown the most punches in a fight, ever.

It's close but I can't bet against Cotto, he just gets smarter and smarter.

Cotto also has that intangible X factor of knowing how to win. It's a big edge.. Also, Marg could have and should have beaten Paul Williams. He had the brains and the ability to beat him, yet he still managed not to put it together. I think Cotto's killer instinct is very strong, and I'm not so sure Marg has it.. Either way styles make fights and this will be a winner.

[Eaner0919]

How am I in trouble? Did you tell on me? Hehe

Why does elite have to be about weight divisions? I can tell you this, Hatton was considered one of the top fighters in the world, P4P. P4P means regardless of weight. Regardless of how good he was at welterweight, his reputation as a P4P caliber fighter preceded him. His scalp was up for grabs and it goes well on any fighters resume'.

If you don't like the word elite, you shouldn't have tried to say Josh Clottey was elite. Just like Margarito, Clottey has yet to beat an A-list fighter. You follow?

oh cmon now you cannot make a case for Hatton being an elite welterweight

no p4p should mean that if all playing fields were level thats how you would rank them not regardless of weight there is a difference there Mr ********

thats like saying that if Corrales was elite at 135 then he should be a fine challenge for Clottey at....oh wait...ok ok....if JLC was an elite fighter at 135 then surely he would be a fine challenge for Hatton....oh man I am not supporting your case at all

Hatton showed in the Collazo fight that he didnt belong at 147 inspite of how well he did at 140. Sometimes there is a ceiling called weight that does have to be added into the equation of things and using p4p to justify your claims that Hatton was indeed an elite fighter without taking into account his elite status was at 140 and not 147 where he looked rather ordinary against a top ten ish welter doesnt hold water at all

cmon man two years of credentials should have taught you that

[Dirt E Gomez]

oh cmon now you cannot make a case for Hatton being an elite welterweight

I hate this line of thinking. If you are unable to move up weight division and compete on a high level... then you were never elite to begin with.

And I'd sooner say that.

[Eaner0919]

On this subject, the point that I was making is that if Margarito was to prove something new, beating Cintron easier than he had the first time would have been the way to go.

By not improving on the performance, like Rafael Marquez did by stopping Pastrana in an essentially meaningless rematch, he proved nothing new.

are you serious with this?

you mean to tell me Margarito DIDNT look better this fight? He absolutely totured Kermit. He landed harder shots, was in control the whole night and was never once in peril. He battered Kerm you know it you just wont say it. He owned Kerm from start to finish.

oh sure it lasted one round longer but hey Kermit had more to prove this fight. He tried his damndest to prove he could hang with Tony but just couldnt. I remember Marshal Kaufman once told me that he actually asked Kermit what punch hurt him and Kermit couldnt answer it because Marshall didnt see any shot that seriously hurt Kermit

this fight you could clearly see Tony doing damage to Kerm I thought that was plain as day but I guess not

I mean damn couldn't you jsut give the guy credit for turning in two sterling performances like he should against Kermit?

[Eaner0919]

I hate this line of thinking. If you are unable to move up weight division and compete on a high level... then you were never elite to begin with.

And I'd sooner say that.

ok say that then but do you think Hatton at 147 is elite?

I dont not at all judging from his two fights up there