Can Pacquiao beat JMM?

[Manny_P]

I just watched this fight again today and I am AMAZED that anyone could have scored it for Marquez. You have to be a ****ing moron or a complete hater of Pacquiao to **** this fight up. Pacquiao clearly won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, and 10. Those are 5 undebatable rounds, and in the first round, he gets an extra 3 points for knockdowns. That's a Pacquiao victory at 113-112 in the closest possible outcome for Marquez. One of those judges had the nerve to score 10 ****ING ROUNDS FOR MARQUEZ. Give me a ****ing break. That judge needs to be shot in the head right now. Then the other idiot scores the first round 10-7!?! HOW CAN YOU **** UP A FIGHT LIKE THIS?! I scored rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 for Pacquiao for a 115-110 victory with round 8 being the closest round of the fight (although Pacquiao lands his straight left about 3 times and actually beats Marquez on the punch stat numbers I believe). This was a highway robbery and an embarrassment to the sport. Guess we all know Marquez knew he got a gift since IMMEDIATELY after the fight he said he didn't want a rematch. ****ing phoney.

excellent post. Hataz STFU!!!!!!

[superfighter]

I'm waiting for a rematch. I'm sure Marquez will hit the canvass again... and will never get up this time!!!!!

[chito]

Like I said before, this is what I think Pac needs to do to win against JMM:

(1) First, Manny has to be there 100% he cannot afford to fight a conditioning freak like jmm. jmm wears and tears his opponent and then go for the kill. a 100% pac has already won 50% of the game imho. This means no more late-night pools for Manny and no more endorsements and filming for the mean time. He has to start training and hook up with Freddie as soon as the holidays are over.

(2) Manny has to be aggressive, but it has to be a controlled agression. jmm is the best counter-ppuncher out there and he will surely capitalize on every mistake that manny makes, even on the smallest one. manny has to take the fight to jmm. jmm is ineffective when he is backing up so as most of the fighters today.

(3) Manny should have a good defense. no more of those wild punches that leave him open for jmm's counter. he has to watch for jmm's uppercuts. he has to realize that jmm's hands are also quick and one mistake will turn the tide against him. a good footwork and balance are necessary to maintain his fighting form and his feet should be tucked firmly to the canvass.

(4) Manny must have a solid plan. i envision the rematch to be a more technical game starting from the pre-fight skirmishes with carefully crafted words to send the right message to each other. the ability to get into an opponent's head to deminish his confidence, confuse, bluff or make him think otherwise has been a trademark of a superior fighter or warrior. team pac must learn how to deal with these tactics and antics and try to counter anything that comes their way. nacho had done an excellent job of doing this before the pac-jmm fight. team pac should do the same. In their first meeting during the fight, team pac did a lousy job of looking for an early knockdown thinking that jmm was ready to go down after the 3 kd;s in the first round. they figured wrong because jmm stood and fight and almost took the game away from the pacman. team pac should sit down and plan the best course of action. they have all the knowledge to devise the right plan due to the fact that jmm is a pure counter-puncher. he won't change the style that earned him his two belts. to add to that, you just can't teach an old dog new tricks and expect him to be effective. i'm not saying that team pac will make this as the one and only assumption. for one thing, assumption is the mother of all ****u-ups (as they say in i.t.) and any unfounded or unverified assumption is guaranteed to make you fail. team pac has to bring a plan that is realistic and dynamic enough to make room for changes if the situation warrants it. they have to map and simulate all courses of action and practice them as if they are going to happen. if they can do this, they will surely win without any doubt.

(5) Team Pac must capitalize on Manny's strenghts i.e. speed, power, and must always find the opportunity to impose these on Marquez. They have to send the message early in the fight that Manny means business and there is no way Manny is going to make the same mistake again of letting JMM take the fight away from him. They also need to exploit JMM's weaknesses (i.e. ducking when throwing a right cross, inability to start any contact). Manny needs to fake some shots, move from different angles, and use his speed to make JMM confused. Manny has to come in and let go of his lethal weapons just like what he did when he kd'd JMM the first time. Needless to say, team Pac should narrow the gap between his stregths and weaknesses. I know Roach has developed newer weapons in his arsenal as Manny showed in his TKO win agains Erik last week. That was excellent but they still need to make MAnny more comfortable in using them more often and possibly polish them more. One key thing here is not get Manny confused during the fight and hesitate for a minute because JMM has a sense of a snake and I guarantee Pacman, JMM will devour him any opportunity he gets. This means, more training for Pacs when and how to use those new weapons.

(6) Last and foremost, no more of those cheap socks again!

No. 7. NO more movies this time. ok lang siguro yung paggawa ng cd dahil magrerecord ka lang naman dun at di magpupuyat. yung movies, magpupuyat ka dun eh. at isa pa nakakatuwa naman yung "para sa yo" maganda naman ang lyrics.

[JaNnO]

No. 7. NO more movies this time. ok lang siguro yung paggawa ng cd dahil magrerecord ka lang naman dun at di magpupuyat. yung movies, magpupuyat ka dun eh. at isa pa nakakatuwa naman yung "para sa yo" maganda naman ang lyrics.

ha-ha (lol)! have you heard that some producers in the philippines are planning to make a movie about manny's life. is manny going to star as well. i hope not. manny's presence is a sure box-office hit, but i think he should stick to boxing (and singing). besides, he's a millionaire now. but i dunno, the problem with money is -- in the beginning you would think if you made the first million it is enough. but after you've reached it, it makes you want to have more (if ya kno wut i mean).

i hope greed don't consume our hero.

[moy22487]

ha-ha (lol)! have you heard that some producers in the philippines are planning to make a movie about manny's life. is manny going to star as well. i hope not. manny's presence is a sure box-office hit, but i think he should stick to boxing (and singing). besides, he's a millionaire now. but i dunno, the problem with money is -- in the beginning you would think if you made the first million it is enough. but after you've reached it, it makes you want to have more (if ya kno wut i mean).

i hope greed don't consume our hero.

thats koo your whole country supporting pacman thats koo. mexican who like mab hate eric and visa-versa. a movie already ya dont waste time

[flanker]

JMM is a good tune up for PACMAN in manila before he will spunk MAB.

[chito]

im reviving this thread wishing that pac-jmm rematch would happen next year.

my thoughts still stand, jmm still is a hard fight for pacquiao. do the posters here still feel the same way the last time they posted on this thread?

[joepal]

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

How can you dominate with weak punches? Pac's punch = 10 JMM punches, you should try to distinguish between pitter-pat and power punches man.

[joepal]

I just watched this fight again today and I am AMAZED that anyone could have scored it for Marquez. You have to be a ****ing moron or a complete hater of Pacquiao to **** this fight up. Pacquiao clearly won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, and 10. Those are 5 undebatable rounds, and in the first round, he gets an extra 3 points for knockdowns. That's a Pacquiao victory at 113-112 in the closest possible outcome for Marquez. One of those judges had the nerve to score 10 ****ING ROUNDS FOR MARQUEZ. Give me a ****ing break. That judge needs to be shot in the head right now. Then the other idiot scores the first round 10-7!?! HOW CAN YOU **** UP A FIGHT LIKE THIS?! I scored rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 for Pacquiao for a 115-110 victory with round 8 being the closest round of the fight (although Pacquiao lands his straight left about 3 times and actually beats Marquez on the punch stat numbers I believe). This was a highway robbery and an embarrassment to the sport. Guess we all know Marquez knew he got a gift since IMMEDIATELY after the fight he said he didn't want a rematch. ****ing phoney.

Great post. Man, your message comes like a candle in the sea of darkness, illuminating places that hatred and bigotry have darkened.

[JOM'S]

after jmm-mab and pac-mab 2 ...

after those two fights, pac-jmm 2, for me is looking a lot better, they should finally settle the score...

double or nothing!!