Can Pacquiao beat JMM?

**psychopath** · 10-28-2004, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by chito

The first fight showed us that Pacquiao can really punch but it also showed us how good is JMM that Pacquiao need not just to send him three times to the canvas but to beat him totally and smartly!

The second fight will keep us guessing what pacquiao's camp has been thinking? Can Pacquiao continue what he claimed he didn't finish the last time? Is it true he had injured his hand and this led to limit his attack on JMM?

My opinion is this, JMM will be tougher to beat this time than the last time. My basis? JMM is a very scientific boxer, he now knows he can't get careless over the Pacman, what he will try to do is get that punches counted in and try to win as many rounds as he can!

I'm a Pacquiao fan but i know how good a boxer is when i see one, this Marquez is a good counter-puncher Pacquiao needs a lot of focus and determination to be able to beat him!

It's still 50/50 for either boxer, what's your opinion?

Bro Pac against JMM is 50/50, Pac against MAB is still 50/50, Pac against Chi is also 50/50 and so against Harison. Anything can happen inside that ring I simply want these fights to happen to find out who is the real CHAMP in the featherweight.

**PRboxingfan** · 10-28-2004, 08:42 AM

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

**JOM'S** · 10-28-2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by PRboxingfan

In one word: no. JMM dominated the fight after the second round. Pac has the ability to catch you off guard with his speed and power but once a fighter gets used to it, as JMM did, then he has no surprises left in his bag of tricks. JMM by UD.

Here we go again, JMM is really a very good counter puncher and won more rounds in that 12 round bout (5-7)as per my opinion, but no way that he dominated the fight after the first round, it is a close as hell and did you see how JMM & Pac looked like after the fight, nobody who looks like that could say that he dominated the fight, maybe they can say they won but dominate......

We just have to wait for the rematch and let these 2 wariors do the talking, and settle the score....

**LuKahnLi** · 10-28-2004, 09:01 AM

JMM seems to think so. Why else would he avoid an immediate rematch?

**baya** · 10-28-2004, 09:05 AM

i'm thoroughly w/ prboxingfan on this one. come feb and the day after when JMM dismantles pac i'll wait and laugh at all the mexicans on this board to come out in full ambush of the filipinos on the board, i can care less, i'm PR too ... but JMM has too much for pac now that there are no surprises. JMM by lopsided decision. smart boxers are better than wild ones.

**LuKahnLi** · 10-28-2004, 09:07 AM

Barrera was a smart boxer....all he got was a beatdown. IMO Barrera is better than Marquez.

In the first match Pacquaio shot his load in the first round and just couldn't pull the trigger again. Even though he was flat for the rest of the match I still think he won it.

**jabsRstiff** · 10-28-2004, 09:11 AM

There were two different fights in that first one....which leads me to be unableto decide who'd win a second fight.

JMM showed that he could outbox Pac, once he himself settled in & recovered.
Pac showed that he could rock JMM at any point in the fight.

Going into the first fight, I had JMM TKOing Pac....I thought he counter the **** outta Pac & hurt him...problem was, he never hurt Manny.

More than anything, the fact that JMM couldn't really damage Pacquiao....& Pac showed he could inflict serious damage to JMM has me leaning towards Pac in a rematch (if I absolutely must make a pick).

It's a rematch that absolutely has to happen.

**jack_the_rippuh** · 10-28-2004, 09:28 AM

The second fight I think Manny will lose a decision.

**PRboxingfan** · 10-28-2004, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by jomapac

Here we go again, JMM is really a very good counter puncher and won more rounds in that 12 round bout (5-7)as per my opinion, but no way that he dominated the fight after the first round, it is a close as hell and did you see how JMM & Pac looked like after the fight, nobody who looks like that could say that he dominated the fight, maybe they can say they won but dominate......

We just have to wait for the rematch and let these 2 wariors do the talking, and settle the score....

Not after the first round, after the second. From the third round on the fight was extremely lopsided in JMM's favor. Yes, Manny kept connecting with that straight left, but JMM countered beautifully. Remember that JMM couldn't breath normally because of the busted-up nose Pac gave him as a gift in the first round and that, my friends, takes away much of your power. When they fight again he will be able to control Pac for at least 9 rounds and will keep him off of him with great power counterpunches while boxing circles around Pac.

This is just what I think and I'm not trying to start an argument about it. You have your oppinion and I have mine. We will see who is more analytical of the boxing situation between both fighters next time they fight. I, unlike you, am unbiased in this fight so I say things without their nuts in my face (i.e. the halo effect that is created when people love their fighters). I'd love to see Pac pull it out as he is a more exciting fighter to watch but I doubt it.

As for the MAB fight, I've said, and continue to hold the same position, that Pac is not what fighters expect and often surprises his opponents. If they can't adjust they lose, simple as that. MAB was unable to adjust like JMM did and, because of that, he lost. If they fight again I'm taking MAB in the rematch. I had Pac in the first fight because I thought he'd be too quick for a MAB who was not propperly trained (personal problems at the time). I had Pac winning the JMM fight, slimly, even though I had picked JMM to win that fight. This time, tho, I think JMM does it convincingly.

Can Pacquiao beat JMM?