Dawson beat Glen PERIOD No controversy no nothing

[Living Legend]

I'm still trying to figure out what fight everyone was watching... Dawson clearly won the fight, although by a very very close margin. Sometimes I think WE as fans forget that we are wathing a boxing match and not a street fight... Johnson clearly won in terms of street fighting...He had dawson hurt and looking f'd up after the fight, but as I stated they were engaged in a boxing match and not a street fight. Johnson landed numerous combinations, bounced back strong after each time he was hurt and won the BOXING match. If anything the fight could have been scored a draw because of how close many of the rounds were...My question is how can you outbox a boxer when you threw little to no jabs and didn't clearly punish the man for the lenght of the fight... I have watched many of glen johnsons fights, way back when he used to rock the f'd up perm, and this was not one of the robberies he has experienced in the past, had he been able to put dawson down atleast once or twice then he should have got the nod... I also don't think their is a need for a rematch, because I believe that Dawson would win again only more decisively...

[warp1432]

I don't care who you had winning the fight, anyone who scored the 12 and 4th rounds for Dawson deserves to be called Controversial.

Then the one judge in the 11th went to confirm which fighter was which. Not to mention the crossed out names.

It screams fishy.

[Easy-E]

Seriously if u look at the threads around here it seems like glen got screwed like always by the judges but i scored the fight 116-112 it was your average pressure fighter vs the skilled boxer
and thats how it usually goes if the brawler cant knock out the boxer the boxer usually gets the nod
no difference from this fight than the last espn showcases where mexicans pressure and the hometown boy gets the nod if the foreign cant knock out
thats usually how it goes for the brawler and its sad really but im used to it by now
imo dawson didnt got exposed or was overrated hes still the number 3 in the division behind ztoi and winner of hopkins calzaghe he still beats tarver and glen in a rematch
imo glen did as expected a tough fight for anyone but a gatekeeper still that exposes those who are dumb enough to get caught (roy jones jr tarver)

Just because the judges had the fight scored 116-112 doesnt mean it wasnt close.

[Motofan]

Johnson won. He pressed the action, landed the hard punches throughout the fight, hurt Dawson twice (once badly) and finished strong. Dawson pot shotted and ran. Glen won by 2 rounds.

[Boxingwizard]

I had Dawson winning by a point, I had it even by the 11th round and I thought Dawson won the 12th round to win the fight. Dawson seems to be regressing, it seems like Eddie Mustafa has been doing a horrible job with Dawson. Even though he looked very poor compared to his previous fights, he did enough to win (imo). It was a close fight, but not a robbery. Their will be a rematch, but it can't happen immediately. In the meantime Dawson needs a new trainer, whether be Froach or any of the Mayweather's, except Sr.

[Gareth Ivanovic]

I thought Dawson one the fight by one or two points. I think some people just like the pressure fighters and they think whoever is coming forward and throws punches is the winner. Did Johnson hurt Dawson more yes, but that doesn't mean he wins the fight. Boxing is scored by rounds and I felt Dawson won more rounds.

[TheGreatA]

I don't care who you had winning the fight, anyone who scored the 12 and 4th rounds for Dawson deserves to be called Controversial.

Then the one judge in the 11th went to confirm which fighter was which. Not to mention the crossed out names.

It screams fishy.

That's the problem I have with the Dawson vs Johnson fight as well.

It's not that I think the fight was this Lewis vs Holyfield kind of robbery... it was not. The fight was a close and could've been scored either way really.
Those who say 'Dawson clearly won!' or 'Johnson clearly won!' are wrong in my opinion. No one won 'clearly'. There wouldn't be such a variety of opinions on this fight if someone won 'clearly'.

But the judging was clearly incompetent (not just because of the wide scorecards) and there should be a rematch at some point, rather sooner than later because Johnson is getting older and older.

Imagine if Dawson does become a top p4p fighter, critics would always go back to that Glen Johnson fight and say 'yeah, he sure is good but this 39 year old guy beat him in my opinion so he isn't that great'.

Many people criticize Mayweather for his close fight with Jose Luis Castillo but Mayweather can always say that he handled business accordingly and beat Castillo clearly in the rematch.

[TommyGunn.]

I had Johnson by a round, Chad hit a lot of glove in that fight.

[slicksouthpaw16]

That's the problem I have with the Dawson vs Johnson fight as well.

It's not that I think the fight was this Lewis vs Holyfield kind of robbery... it was not. The fight was a close and could've been scored either way really.
Those who say 'Dawson clearly won!' or 'Johnson clearly won!' are wrong in my opinion. No one won 'clearly'. There wouldn't be such a variety of opinions on this fight if someone won 'clearly'.

But the judging was clearly incompetent (not just because of the wide scorecards) and there should be a rematch at some point, rather sooner than later because Johnson is getting older and older.

Imagine if Dawson does become a top p4p fighter, critics would always go back to that Glen Johnson fight and say 'yeah, he sure is good but this 39 year old guy beat him in my opinion so he isn't that great'.

Many people criticize Mayweather for his close fight with Jose Luis Castillo but Mayweather can always say that he handled business accordingly and beat Castillo clearly in the rematch.

It was more of what Dawson didn't do rather than what Johnson did. Dawson fought on the inside and by doing that, he gave Johnson his chances to win the fight because he abandoned his tools. When he would actually box and keep Johnson at bay, then Glen was completely nullified. I think that Dawson would stick to boxing in the rematch and not make the same mistakes thats he made. Johnson is a very good fighter, underrated and extremely tough. But it was Dawson foolishly fighting on the inside that made the fight close, not anything spectacular that Johnson did. If Dawson boxed the way he did in the Adamek fight, then he would have had a chance at stopping Glen from accumulation. He boxed, went to the body and got back out. Not trading with Adamek and giving him his chances. I think he learned his lesson and will be smarter next time around. He is a very intelligent fighter and has the ability to learn from his mistakes.

[TheGreatA]

To me it looked like that, at times, Dawson simply had to fight on the inside against Johnson. Glen blocked most of Dawson's punches from distance and kept pressuring, giving no respect to Dawson's punching power.

Early on it seemed like Dawson was willing to trade with Glen Johnson but when he realized it was not a good strategy, he started to box more in the middle rounds and had success but Johnson still managed to land his punches and hurt Dawson badly in the 10th round.


Watch how Glen Johnson walks down Dawson in the third round, pressures Dawson to the ropes, blocks Dawson's punches and counters with his own right hand at 3:03.
Dawson is stunned and Johnson starts landing punches on the inside.


Dawson boxing well in the 10th round, perhaps looking the best he looked in the whole fight but he is not landing anything effective to keep Johnson from pressuring him. Glen is still blocking the majority of punches and landing some of his own.
Glen counters with a left hook at 6:15 and starts landing on the inside again.
Dawson gets careless, backs straight up and drops his hands momentarily at 6:30, Johnson takes advantage of it and lands the biggest punch of the fight.


Glen Johnson demonstrates his techniques. The remark at 1:15 is interesting, that's what cost him this fight.