The Cotto hype - do you buy it?

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  • KingTito
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    #41
    I completely disagree, but I don't feel like arguing to much, I gotta go to work, so I'll just post a few things. First of all, what's wrong with body work to break down fighters? His speed is very underrated, ask Carlos Quintana, the guy who whooped your boy Williams. His ability to cut off the ring, strong (underrated jab), and great timing can completely negate the fighters who are faster than him (Malignaggi, Judah, Mosley). To say he's overrated and hyped (at this point) is ******.

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    • Kilrain
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      #42
      Cotto hype my ass. Cotto's quality of competition is plain to see. He's a pound-for-pounder and one of the top 2 welterweights in the world.

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        #43
        I think Cotto has done more than enough to prove that he's not just some overhyped guy. I also think that even if he were to get soundly beaten by Floyd Mayweather or even Oscar De la Hoya that it wouldn't hurt his reputation among most people who follow the sport (though not necessarily those of us who troll the message boards). He's got solid credentials and has beaten a number of very good fighters.

        That said, Bob Arum is doing a very good job of pumping Cotto up as though he's invulnerable...and that's just not true. He's shown vulnerability in many of his most significant wins. So, if you're talking about Cotto living up to the Bob Arum hype...my answer is no. But if you're talking about hype that he's a top level fighter I think he answered those questions over the last two years. Cotto is clearly the goods.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Kilrain
          Cotto hype my ass. Cotto's quality of competition is plain to see. He's a pound-for-pounder and one of the top 2 welterweights in the world.
          He is the best welterweight in the world.

          Floyd is just a clown who is allowed to keep a belt due to his name alone. When he starts beating actual welterweights, I will rank him as such.

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            #45
            Originally posted by javelin_fangs
            I think Cotto has done more than enough to prove that he's not just some overhyped guy. I also think that even if he were to get soundly beaten by Floyd Mayweather or even Oscar De la Hoya that it wouldn't hurt his reputation among most people who follow the sport (though not necessarily those of us who troll the message boards). He's got solid credentials and has beaten a number of very good fighters.

            That said, Bob Arum is doing a very good job of pumping Cotto up as though he's invulnerable...and that's just not true. He's shown vulnerability in many of his most significant wins. So, if you're talking about Cotto living up to the Bob Arum hype...my answer is no. But if you're talking about hype that he's a top level fighter I think he answered those questions over the last two years. Cotto is clearly the goods.

            Overcoming vulnerabilities and getting the wins against all comers, is a sign of potential greatness. Carefully selecting opponents and not fighting the best of your peers, is not.

            Mayweather was a great fighter, but as of late he is not living up to his potential. I used to think he was the best fighter alive, but I cannot do that anymore. I think his heart is no longer in the sport, which is a shame because if he had his head on straight, he could have beaten this patch of Welters in tough hard fights. I just don't think he wants that hard, pure fight, where he has to lay it all on the line.
            Last edited by deanrw; 04-12-2008, 11:12 AM.

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            • Kilrain
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              #46
              He beat Judah (former undisputed welterweight champ of the world) and De La Hoya (world super-welterweight champ).

              But I totally agree that he should fight Cotto. The Oscar rematch is inexcusable.

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              • machotime
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                #47
                Originally posted by Allucard
                People say Cotto is a very good fighter and hits the body methodically for continual pain. How can you get behind such an hype? This **** wouldn't be allowed in any other fighting sport. There is a REASON he is fighting Gomez. Ask yourself, if the man is so good, why Gomez then? Couldn't he have found someone better? Is he waiting for Mayweather? that would be even more ****** because it's very likely pbf hangs them after Hoya. The main reason Cotto punches much to the body is he is just isn't a very fast fighter. Already, at 27 has taken more punishment than most elite fighters in a 5 year period. He compensates his lack of speed by doing the body work. I think very poorly of these kinds of fighters. They are the **** one day and the other they are just ****. Think Katsidis for one, Gatti for another one and now Cotto. Cotto can pull that trick vs maybe 75% of the current opposition but I'm not buying the hype. Are you?
                Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if this is really your opininion about a fighter that has captured 2 weight division championships and has defended them 9 times, then boxing is in a bad state. Cotto easily makes the current top 10 best fighters in boxing.

                As far as him not being fast?? Look at the result of Quintana which said the same; Judah which stated that Cotto was one-dimesional; Paulie Malignaggi who stated that he would box circles around Cotto.

                Max Kellerman said it right after the Quintana Williams fight; He stated that the way that Quintana beat Williams and considering the way Cotto DEMOLISHED Quintana shows us how valid Cotto really is. Dont forget that Quintana also beat Joel Julio by a landslide.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by 2501
                  he knows the deal. he's just a detractor who doesnt like the way PBF gets "treated". he's been in threads were the reasons for the Gomez fight have been explained MANY times. So with that being said, I think its time for the thread to actually be entertaining or have a purpose. Ladies and Gents, I give you the world's best freestyle battle ever.........ever.

                  That was ****

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                  • mikec
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Allucard
                    He he is not, he is just good, that's what we will learn sooner than later. He is also very strong, but a reachy fighter will cause him many problems he doesn't know the answer to. Cotto has one speed, one style and moves in one direction. The thing is, he is indeed very strong. Also his stamina is troublesome.
                    You are the most ignorant ****. Why is Cotto fighting Gomez? 1st off there wasn't much top level competition to choose from who was available so hence they go for a marketing fight with Gomez. 2nd why not give the man a easier fight after fighting tough fight after fight it's a free fight! PBF fought a lot more gimme fights then this so if thats a point your trying to make then bring all the other fighters in the same category.

                    Cotto has one speed and one style? HAHA and you call yourself a fight fan watch the Mosley fight Im sure all the writters and top boxing critics in the world will point out that he exhibiting multiple dimensions to his style and spped at which he fought. ANd as far as stamina problems i don't see it at 140 yes but 147 he is a wrecking ball. Judah has stamina problems.

                    Do us all a favor watch somemore fights maybe read a book or two on boxing and then post on here with some actual facts not this wannabe ****

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                    • javelin_fangs
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by machotime
                      Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if this is really your opininion about a fighter that has captured 2 weight division championships and has defended them 9 times, then boxing is in a bad state. Cotto easily makes the current top 10 best fighters in boxing.

                      As far as him not being fast?? Look at the result of Quintana which said the same; Judah which stated that Cotto was one-dimesional; Paulie Malignaggi who stated that he would box circles around Cotto.

                      Max Kellerman said it right after the Quintana Williams fight; He stated that the way that Quintana beat Williams and considering the way Cotto DEMOLISHED Quintana shows us how valid Cotto really is. Dont forget that Quintana also beat Joel Julio by a landslide.
                      I agree. And just to further argue the point...Cotto is fighting Gomez because it's an easy stay busy fight but also because it improves his name recognition with mainstream America. He's fighting Gomez for a lot of the same reasons Floyd fought Arturo Gatti. It's a showcase fight for him.

                      So, yes, the amount of punishment Cotto takes is a lot for an elite fighter, but look at the guys he's beaten. He's beaten most of the second tier and one or two top tier fighters at 140/147. I don't see how he isn't a top tier fighter.

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