What next for JM Marquez?

[shadeyfizzle]

I think Barrera's footwork shined in the second Paq fight. It's just Marco couldn't throw anything back like he use to. I was telling myself, If Marco can avoid punishment, Juan will be able too, and be able to land his shots.

I honestly didn't think Juan would be able to land like he did in the second fight.

But he stated that, Top Rank wouldn't give him southpaw sparring partners the first time around, wouldnt give him other demands either. And that GOLDENBOY did, lol so with and without propper trainings.

Juan made Paq look like the sloppy lunging fighter he is....That fat chode Bob Arum couldn't save Paq this time.

And once again...you run around the topic of discussion only to spew more hatred at Pac. You are still basically saying the same thing. That Barerra was knocked out in his prime by Pacquiao who only had 2 weeks to train and you call that making a name off a old and washed up fighter. Yet that same "old and washed up fighter" 4 years older and 4years more washed up battles JMM to a controversial split decision and yet you consider that a legimiate enough victory to hold even bigger magnitude than when Pac beat him and legitimately call Marquez the champ?? Get the **** outta here.

[MaYaN_SuN]

And once again...you run around the topic of discussion only to spew more hatred at Pac. You are still basically saying the same thing. That Barerra was knocked out in his prime by Pacquiao who only had 2 weeks to train and you call that making a name off a old and washed up fighter. Yet that same "old and washed up fighter" 4 years older and 4years more washed up battles JMM to a controversial split decision and yet you consider that a legimiate enough victory to hold even bigger magnitude than when Pac beat him and legitimately call Marquez the champ?? Get the **** outta here.

Paq, the guy who beat weak Mexicans to build a false name agaisnt my people...

lol What do you think I'm going to do? And don't hate the fact Manny can't perform at the same level agaisnt "well prepared and equalled durancy level of Mexicans." Thats just facts that weren't showcased or acknowledged through out Manny's bull**** stunt.

Manny is phoney to his given name, he's too sloppy, especially too sloppy to beat the likes of a Guzman or Soto (both more accurate and swift then Valereo), I don't think he can take a Valereo punch or a Soto punch (I'm not the only one, cause he doesn't have to fight ANY OF THE THOSE FIGHTERS, his handlers obviously fear those names.)

So all in all, I don't think Paq is half of what his promoters, his trainer, or his people say he is...-shoulder shrug-

[shadeyfizzle]

Paq, the guy who beat weak Mexicans to build a false name agaisnt my people...

lol What do you think I'm going to do? And don't hate the fact Manny can't perform at the same level agaisnt "well prepared and equalled durancy level of Mexicans." Thats just facts that weren't showcased or acknowledged through out his Manny's bull**** stunt.

You are still telling me the same thing. you are telling me that Pac beat "weak" mexicans and that he wasnt able to perform at the same level against a "well prepared and durable" JMM. But all he could muster against one of these "weak" mexicans was a controversial split decision. But all the credit in the world to Juan for pulling out the victory?? You are either ****ing ******ed or have an utter lack of respect for the greats of your heritage.

[Contenders]

Mayan Sun and ShadeyFizzle: nice argument and all, but who do you guys think then Marquez should fight next? Am I the only one that thinks a fight (and win of course) against Humberto Soto would be good for him?

Like I said, Guzman would be cool, but maybe too risky 'cause of his slick style and possibly derail the momentum for a third fight with Pacquiao. Valero would be a fun watch, but Marquez would have to travel overseas.

So how 'bout it? Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Humberto Soto???

[MaYaN_SuN]

Mayan Sun and ShadeyFizzle: nice argument and all, but who do you guys think then Marquez should fight next? Am I the only one that thinks a fight (and win of course) against Humberto Soto would be good for him?

Like I said, Guzman would be cool, but maybe too risky 'cause of his slick style and possibly derail the momentum for a third fight with Pacquiao. Valero would be a fun watch, but Marquez would have to travel overseas.

So how 'bout it? Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Humberto Soto???

Juan should avoid Humberto and Guzman to the same extent that Paq has avoided them, those are the two sharpest and hardest hitters at 130 and up to 135. Even Valereo, he's too much of a risk. Avoid all 3......Paq is getting another "carefull bout," Juan has to do the same and get a "carefull bout." He has to. The moment he shows any sign of weakness, or the moment he shows that he's taking too much punishment from hard hitters, they'll try to throw him in with Manny for the third time. He has no choice but to save his health and durability and play by the same rules that Paq gets to play by.

If the Mayweathers get to cherry pick with little objection(sp), and if the Paq's get to show up out of nowhere and get recognition for fightin tender bodies and nobodies (rest of Paqs people couldn't achieve half of that glory), it's time the Mexicans get to cherry pick too.
Mexican's usually take on anyone when it comes down to it, despite the handspeed and what not, we get matched up against anyone because theres a chance that we might make "bloody brutal fights," but everyone else gets to cherry pick?...lol Yo...this is our time too, we can cherry pick too, let the boxing community get fed up, and ultimately insist on REAL fights being made. Istead of making us SLAVE FOR REAL FIGHTS. Make them wan't and deserve our real fights, instead of letting them insist that "Hatton/Mayweather" should take place. When Margarito/Mayweather was more worthy.

Hold out the same way every other boxer does, preserve our health and make the public insist on the Margarito/Mayeathers,(that were rightfully deserved, you wouldn't have seen Margarito get KOed in the same embarrassing fashion that Hatton did. lol Floyd is too tiny to hurt Tony Margarito.) Margarito deserved that shot, more then Hatton. Not only that, But Margarito wouldn't have almost got KOed by Luis Collazo like Hatton did...wich should have been a forewarning. But nooooo, everyone forgot about that lol.


So what I'm saying is...

Juan Manuel Marquez isn't only the most amazing technical fighter below lightweight, but he can single handingly change Mexican boxing history. He can show that despite the punishment *******s want to see us absorb, we can cherry pic and/or becarefull too, we can retain our health and fight longer and stronger in propperly matched fights aswell. Not only by his example to avoid punishment in fights, but by his example to hold out utnil his prime target calls him back for a 3rd fight (Paq.) He can make his FIGHTING skills a treasureable(SP) possession and make the masses pay for his quality AND name.


..yo, deep post.

[shadeyfizzle]

Mayan Sun and ShadeyFizzle: nice argument and all, but who do you guys think then Marquez should fight next? Am I the only one that thinks a fight (and win of course) against Humberto Soto would be good for him?

Like I said, Guzman would be cool, but maybe too risky 'cause of his slick style and possibly derail the momentum for a third fight with Pacquiao. Valero would be a fun watch, but Marquez would have to travel overseas.

So how 'bout it? Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Humberto Soto???

As long as it's either Guzman, or valero or soto. I could care less. As long as he fights 1 of those three then Mayan Sun is eating his words 1 way or another. According to him any 1 of those three would eat Pacquiao alive. It's plain as day to all 3 that they must get by Marquez 1st to get to Pacquiao. So either his favorite fighter must be ****ting his pants cuz any 1 of those 3 would swallow him whole just as easily. Or if Marquez beats any 1 of them proves blatantly that all the trash talking he has been doing building them up is full of it.

[shadeyfizzle]

(rest of Paqs people couldn't achieve half of that glory)



Juan Manuel Marquez isn't only the most amazing technical fighter below lightweight, but he can single handingly change Mexican boxing history. He can show that despite the punishment *******s want to see us absorb, we can cherry pic and/or becarefull too, we can retain our health and fight longer and stronger in propperly matched fights aswell. Not only by his example to avoid punishment in fights, but by his example to hold out utnil his prime target calls him back for a 3rd fight (Paq.) He can make his FIGHTING skills a treasureable(SP) possession and make the masses pay for his quality AND name.

Clearly Mayan Sun knows not his boxing history. Before there were Pacquiao or Marquez or Morales or Barrera or even Julio Cesar Chavez...there were Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde. Who have already achieved greater glory and innovated the sport from what it was in old black and white/no audio footage from early 1900s to the modern era and the style of boxing "his people" are so well taught today.

Also he has contradicted himself in the same post. Stating that Marquez could change mexican boxing history (actually that in itself is a contradiction)but should avoid guzman, valero, or soto cuz they will probably beat him.

[Contenders]

Juan should avoid Humberto and Guzman to the same extent that Paq has avoided them, those are the two sharpest and hardest hitters at 130 and up to 135. Even Valereo, he's too much of a risk. Avoid all 3.

I don't know if Guzman is one of the hardest hitters in the division, but he's definitely physically strong...the guy swells up to 150 lbs. by fight time!!! I'd like to see Marquez fight and beat him, but I think it's too risky, 'cause a loss to him would hurt Marquez's demands for a third fight.

Soto on the other hand would be a good fight (and hopefully win) for Marquez. Soto has some good power and boxing skills, but I think Marquez could take him. It'd be a good fight no doubt!

If we want Marquez to take a "low-risk" fight, who'd you have in mind? He could always fight (and almost certainly) win another title by fighting Mzonke Fana...maybe a rematch with Barrera makes him some decent money??? Some people though Barrera won the first fight, so a rematch might make sense before moving up to call out Pacquiao at lightweight? I don't know, just throwing out some ideas.

[shadeyfizzle]

I don't know if Guzman is one of the hardest hitters in the division, but he's definitely physically strong...the guy swells up to 150 lbs. by fight time!!! I'd like to see Marquez fight and beat him, but I think it's too risky, 'cause a loss to him would hurt Marquez's demands for a third fight.

Soto on the other hand would be a good fight (and hopefully win) for Marquez. Soto has some good power and boxing skills, but I think Marquez could take him. It'd be a good fight no doubt!

If we want Marquez to take a "low-risk" fight, who'd you have in mind? He could always fight (and almost certainly) win another title by fighting Mzonke Fana...maybe a rematch with Barrera makes him some decent money??? Some people though Barrera won the first fight, so a rematch might make sense before moving up to call out Pacquiao at lightweight? I don't know, just throwing out some ideas.

I'll do Mayan Sun a favor and make a solid case for what JMM should do next. He should fight Casamayor a couple months after Pac fights Diaz. A win over Casamayor pretty much guarantees JMM a 3rd fight with Pac because he'll once again have 2 go through him to be recognized as the lineal lightweight champion. Adding more drama and hype buildup to the trilogy. Equalling tons more money for both fighters as opposed to having a rematch right away. Casamayor would be more than happy to accept a Marquez fight because he knows a victory over Marquez would make him a much more attractive opponent than Nate Campbell. So there. Easily solves JMM's problems and stops Mayan Sun's bitching. At least til Pacquiao drops him a couple more times in a potential 3rd match.

[Contenders]

BTW, speaking of potential opponents for Marquez...have any of you heard about a proposed Humberto Soto-Mzonke Fana fight this May in Mexico? Is it official? If so, then I guess that kinda ties up a couple of potential opponents for Marquez's next fight.

Oh, I got Soto by stoppage if the Fana fight does happen!