How can you call Taylor or Pavlik elite

[Dick-Sucker]

And you're seriously going to tell me that Bute and Mundine are more deserving of the "elite" title than Pavlik or Taylor? Are you serious? Kessler I have no prob admitting is a class choice, but the other two? Really?

Mundine would pick off Pavlik from the outside all night. Like he did to Green.

Bute is simply to powerful. Better on the inside and out.

Yep.

Look at these departments to judge a fighter. Power, Speed, Footwork and Defence, the top 4 fighters at SMW beat Pavlik every time in these departments....

[dc6112]

America doesn't get to see the best fighters? Where is Calzaghe coming? Where did Hatton just fight? Where do you think the big names overseas want to go to get the big pay day when they truly want to make a world wide name for themself? You need a serious reality check.

[Run]

Calzaghe, Kessler, Mundine and Bute are all much more complete fighters.

How would Pavlik respond to someone fighting on the outside? Im sure mundine could pick him off at will like he did to Danny Green.

Bute and Kessler are just as powerful on the inside and better on the out.

Calzaghe is better in every department.

Why the fck would you pay to see Mirand and Winky fight. And a past it B-Hop who throws 12 punches a round.

The American boxing public are not watching the best fighters in the world from MW to LHW. Because the top 4 fighters at SMW are exactly that and they are no were to be seen.

Face it, America falls for promotions and media, e.g Miranda could knock 100 guys out with one punch. Who the fck has Miranda knocked out? He couldn't stop Allan Green even.

America = Is not watching the best fighters.

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[Dick-Sucker]

You can call Taylor elite, not P4P, but top tier because:

A. He beat Hopkins, an all time great, twice, at a time when he could still truly be called a top 5 p4p fighter.

B. He has one of the best jabs in the sport, when he uses it.

Pavlik has:

A. some of the best p4p power, division wise, in the sport.

B. While maybe lacking in speed, a very good jab, a solid defense, and a solid chin.

C. Beat Miranda and Taylor, two fighters in their prime who are thought of as pretty dangerous guys.

D. One of the biggest hearts in all of the sport.

Should I add more to this list?

Miranda and Taylor are no were near Elite.

Miranda is best known for beating Allan Green. A guy who would get absolutely destroyed by any top 5 SMW.

Taylor is unorthodox, technically incorrect and easily to hit.

You guys are caught in a fairy world. Where you think that by beating a past it B-HOP, taylor is elite, and by beating a non-elite taylor, Pavlik is elite.

B-HOP was elite 3 years ago. He aint now. Pavlik or Taylor have and will never be elite, when comparing the technical aspects of a boxer, and how complete they are in fighting abilites.

All Kessler, calzaghe, Mundine and Bute can fight from the inside and outside. And are a lot more complete than Pavlik & Taylor.

Its a shame the biggest boxing public, don't see the best fighters in action...

[Dick-Sucker]

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I just watched Miranda vs Abraham. Both those guys aren't elite. I watched Pavlik vs Taylor. Both those guys aren't elite. Pavlik is one dimensional. Taylor is easy to hit, he is technically incompetent.

The guys at SMW Calzaghe, Kess, Mundine, Bute would beat them any night of the week.

I suggest the US should start demanding these fights. Because your not seeing the best.

[Mizzou]

Im Australian and Calzaghe vs Hopkins is one of the most lob sided fights i have ever seen.

Calzaghe TKO in 8. He will dominate the first 8 rounds.

Seriously get with it man. So many dillusional US boxing fans out there.

Why you guys would rather watch Winky, B-HOP, Pavlik, Taylor over Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute and Mundine is beyond me....

If they were so elite they would come to America and get paid. Hoe Calzaghe saw his window of time closing and smartly came here for his biggest payday by far. The rest of the world needs to bow down and realize that America puts out, by a large majority, the worlds best athletes. Don't believe, check the olympic medal counts.

[dc6112]

So you're representing the "non-US" voice when you say that on a night where say Pavlik fights on HBO, and Lucian Bute fights on Showtime, the people are going to go watch Bute, without giving it a second thought. You're right, what am I thinking.

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I just watched Miranda vs Abraham. Both those guys aren't elite. I watched Pavlik vs Taylor. Both those guys aren't elite. Pavlik is one dimensional. Taylor is easy to hit, he is technically incompetent.

The guys at SMW Calzaghe, Kess, Mundine, Bute would beat them any night of the week.

I suggest the US should start demanding these fights. Because your not seeing the best.

As I've made aware to you before, I've seen those guys fight. Chief.

I'm not in the dark here.



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[Dick-Sucker]

If they were so elite they would come to America and get paid. Hoe Calzaghe saw his window of time closing and smartly came here for his biggest payday by far. The rest of the world needs to bow down and realize that America puts out, by a large majority, the worlds best athletes. Don't believe, check the olympic medal counts.

No the fact of the matter is they make more money in there home countries.

Why?

Because Americans are highly bias and always want to think fighters from there own country are the best. In the case of Mayweather and others they are. But in the case of B-Hop, Winky, Taylor, Pavlik, its time to realise Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute and Mundine would beat them.

Simply US aint seeing the best boxers fighting.

Put simply................

[Mizzou]

No the fact of the matter is they make more money in there home countries.

Why?

Because Americans are highly bias and always want to think fighters from there own country are the best. In the case of Mayweather and others they are. But in the case of B-Hop, Winky, Taylor, Pavlik, its time to realise Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute and Mundine would beat them.

Simply US aint seeing the best boxers fighting.

Put simply................

Whatever. You just say the exact same thing over and over again. Go ride your kangaroo and get over your inferiority complex with America.