Who's Higher on Your P4P: Pacquiao or Calzaghe?

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  • Katz
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    #21
    Originally posted by T-97
    Wrong, p4p is who would win if they could fight taking weight out of the equation. Meaning the p4p number 1 fighter could beat any other fighter around without weight unevening things.
    then WLAD is the P4P champ right now.









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    • RAESAAD
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      #22
      Given the fact that I felt Pac lost to Marquez the other night....ever so closely and that Calzaghe hasn't had a really close fight in years.....I'd say Joe is the #2 P4P fighter in the world.

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        #23
        Originally posted by T-97
        Wrong, p4p is who would win if they could fight taking weight out of the equation. Meaning the p4p number 1 fighter could beat any other fighter around without weight unevening things.
        yes, but how would you quantify how much a fighter can bring to a fight? yes, by looking at his opponents. there are many undefeated prospects and up and comers still out there, but can you put them in the list? no, because you have to see what they got against true adversity.

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          #24
          Originally posted by RAESAAD
          Given the fact that I felt Pac lost to Marquez the other night....ever so closely and that Calzaghe hasn't had a really close fight in years.....I'd say Joe is the #2 P4P fighter in the world.
          its because he fought weak competition. its simple

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            #25
            Originally posted by T-97
            Wrong, p4p is who would win if they could fight taking weight out of the equation. Meaning the p4p number 1 fighter could beat any other fighter around without weight unevening things.
            No, it doesn't have anything to do with taking weight out of the equation, that's ******. It has to do with the fighters value in relation to weight. Sugar Ray Robinson is considered P4P best not because he could beat Ali (if weight wasn't considered) but because he would be beat by bigger fighters.

            It has nothing to do with "would Mayweather beat Klitschko if weight wasn't a factor" that's simply impossible to even consider.

            It's simply a way to say "who's the best in boxing" without facing a welterweight against a heavy, etc.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Katz
              its because he fought weak competition. its simple
              Lacy, Bika and Kessler are hardly weak compettition......An old washed up Morales and Barrera could be considered weak competition as well.....Either way Joe dominates, he doesn't just win and so does Pac usually. This is all mere opinion this p4p **** anyway. So we can just agree to disagree.

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                #27
                Considering how relatively dominant Wlad is at heavyweight. Why is it that he can't get any P4P consideration? Probably an easy question but I don't understand it.

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                  #28
                  beating Lacy and Kessler won't make him #2. A generous spot is #5.

                  Pac earned it on the hard way.. fighting elite fighters and beat them.

                  Morales - 3 fights
                  Barrera - 2 fights
                  JMM - 2 fights

                  3 division titles + lineal champ at 126 could be 4 division champ.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Katz
                    beating Lacy and Kessler won't make him #2. A generous spot is #5.

                    Pac earned it on the hard way.. fighting elite fighters and beat them.

                    Morales - 3 fights
                    Barrera - 2 fights
                    JMM - 2 fights

                    3 division titles + lineal champ at 126 could be 4 division champ.
                    All true but many would agree Pac didn't win last weekend....when was the last time Calzaghe had a disputed decision? either way like I said....it's all mere opinion.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by RAESAAD
                      Lacy, Bika and Kessler are hardly weak compettition......An old washed up Morales and Barrera could be considered weak competition as well.....Either way Joe dominates, he doesn't just win and so does Pac usually. This is all mere opinion this p4p **** anyway. So we can just agree to disagree.
                      Morales a washed up fighter who beat David Diaz.

                      Barrera a washed up fighter who beat Marquez.

                      I don't buy those washed up/shot excuses. They are not on their prime but they are not shot.

                      Lacy is an overrated. You can compare that against Barrera's level.

                      Kessler is only Joe's biggest win.

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