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  • #61
    Originally posted by Asian Sensation View Post
    Morales was at the end of the road by the time Raheem beat him. Campbell, at 12 years his senior, bested a prime, undefeated Juan Diaz. Why Raheem is struggling to get fights is not because he is an inferior fighter. If he was, he'd have no problem getting fights. He can't get fights because the networks don't want him because he's a stinker.

    Champions find ways to win when there isn't one. You need to rise to another level when the situation is thick, and it was Campbell who rose, not Diaz. I don't know how you'd pick Diaz in a rematch when Diaz almost didn't come off his stool for the 11th round. Every round it took him longer to answer the bell. He didn't want to continue.

    There are definitely fighters out there who can beat Campbell, but Diaz's style is custom-made for Campbell. Same as in the Kid Diamond fight, guys who come to Campbell are his specialty.
    im sorry i dont mean to drag this on at all but he could not see had was bleeding like a pig. Lets say hes losing and not cut no way he would think of quitting, the only thought of quitting was due to his impaired vision and he probably knew he couldnt win with one eye.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by SceneBoxer View Post
      Like I said in previous posts, this remains to be seen. I considered Juan mentally broken down and you did not. Hope Juan will fight next the loser of Casa-Katsidis so that we can assess if he's actually mentally broken down.

      Casa is slick and old like Nate. Katsidis is a relentless volume puncher also like Nate. Any of these two is a good test for Juan.

      Are you satisfied big dog?
      I dunno, Casamayor has like 300 amateur fights and has been a pro for 12 years. Campbell didn't turn pro until he was 28. He doesn't have the same kind of wear on his body that Casamayor does. Plus, Casamayor isn't known as a health freak between fights.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by texanballer View Post
        im sorry i dont mean to drag this on at all but he could not see had was bleeding like a pig. Lets say hes losing and not cut no way he would think of quitting, the only thought of quitting was due to his impaired vision and he probably knew he couldnt win with one eye.
        If Diaz can discipline himself through a few fights over decent fighters where he can gain confidence in fighting a different style, he'd have a decent shot. If he can mix it up going inside, boxing a little, and trying to jab with Campbell, his chances are much better. If he goes in and tries to fight the same fight he did with Campbell, he's going to lose without a question. Campbell can adjust where it doesn't see Diaz can.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by texanballer View Post
          im sorry i dont mean to drag this on at all but he could not see had was bleeding like a pig. Lets say hes losing and not cut no way he would think of quitting, the only thought of quitting was due to his impaired vision and he probably knew he couldnt win with one eye.
          it was seems like juan was the one who told you that... youre so sure of what youre saying

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          • #65
            Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496 View Post
            He never beat Juan mentally, a beaten fighter never would have finished the fight. Juan showed alot of heart, he's still young and has a bright future.
            I am not sure about that honestly. To me he really stopped fighting after the cut. Don't get me wrong. The kid has guts or he never would have kept going back. What I was really surprised at was the fact that he seemed to fold mentally the last half of the fight. I was stunned. I did not expect that kind of mental fragility from Juan.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by PeterinMI View Post
              I am not sure about that honestly. To me he really stopped fighting after the cut. Don't get me wrong. The kid has guts or he never would have kept going back. What I was really surprised at was the fact that he seemed to fold mentally the last half of the fight. I was stunned. I did not expect that kind of mental fragility from Juan.
              I think we're all forgetting juans age here, it's easy to forget with all that he has acomplished that he's only 24. He's still in the learning stages of his career and has already acomplished more in the ring then nate cambell will end up acomplishing in his entire life time. Obviously there's alot of disagreement, can we all agree that Juan is a better fighter then cambell?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by R.I.P. Corrales View Post
                I think we're all forgetting juans age here, it's easy to forget with all that he has acomplished that he's only 24. He's still in the learning stages of his career and has already acomplished more in the ring then nate cambell will end up acomplishing in his entire life time. Obviously there's alot of disagreement, can we all agree that Juan is a better fighter then cambell?
                Why would he be better than Campbell when Campbell beat him at his own fight? I'll tell you what, there won't be much more learning going on for Diaz if he doesn't learn how to protect himself better. He won't be around 2 more years at that pace.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Sinisterevo View Post
                  this loss might actually help Juan get a fight with Pacquiao, because now he looks beatable.
                  Juan Diaz isn't a legend. Pac takes up Mexican legends. After Barrera and Morales....Marquez is next in the highest order.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Asian Sensation View Post
                    Why would he be better than Campbell when Campbell beat him at his own fight? I'll tell you what, there won't be much more learning going on for Diaz if he doesn't learn how to protect himself better. He won't be around 2 more years at that pace.
                    Do you watch boxing? or do you just look at the screen when boxing is on? because there is a difference. Beat him at his own fight??? Juan gets in close, outworks his opponents, and pounds the body ,yes: but it has never been juans fight to fight dirty, juan fight and wins by honestly out working the other guy, not by using dirty tactics to gain an advantage. Anyone who says that the cut wasnt a difference make, im imagining has never been in a real fight.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Asian Sensation View Post
                      Why would he be better than Campbell when Campbell beat him at his own fight? I'll tell you what, there won't be much more learning going on for Diaz if he doesn't learn how to protect himself better. He won't be around 2 more years at that pace.
                      Have to agree with you there. There was only one victor and it was not the one I thought would come out victorious (Juan). It is good that the first victory came early for JD but I am a bit concerned by the manner of his loss. I just don't know if you come back from the way he collapsed. To me that was far more troubling then a knockout.

                      We shall see.

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