Seriously...who believes RJJ was ever Heavyweight Champ?

[THE REED]

1. It was his first fight at heavyweight, not a bad win.

2. He would beat Holyfield in much better fashion then Lewis did, styles make fights.

3. I would pick Lewis and the Klitschko's to beat him but like I said anything can happen. Prior to losing to Tarver, anything was possible with Roy.

4. I'm not really a fan of his, I just can't stand the disprespect towards Roy. Until some other former middleweight steps up and beats any heavyweight title holder, Roy's accomplishment remains great.

Even if someone does... it still will.

[Vladimir303]

See REE****YALUSS is reasonable and unbiased and thats good. He is Jones fan but he doesn't pick him to beat all time great heavyweights and boost up an average fighter like he is great, unlike Mr.Vladimir.

Post # 97.....That's my closing post. I'm done with this.

[Vladimir303]

Even if someone does... it still will.

You're right, I should have rephrased it. All the mocking of Roy not winning a real title, let somebody else do it was what I meant.

[My Name Is...]

regardless of who the consensus HW Champ was it doesnt mean anything be because

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it is all opinion, not FACT

[landmine950]

Htown

Ok i see where your coming from now..

Lykovitch IS dog**** (3 punch /round vs briggs)
Briggs is a pumped up tub of goo..

BUT! MASK?????

mask was a former coal miner in KASAKSTAN!!

Imagine!!

He's a tough (but limited) Hw who showed against Rahman that he can ****!
DONT FORGET the hasim had Lennox down and out!
Mask Knocked him out of the f#cking ring!!!!
AND THEN said come on MF! I'll do it again...AND DID!!!!

Ruiz deserves to be hated and reviled for his style alone.....yes I know he wins, but if EVERYONE hates him...is it worth it??

I dunno.....

I am looking forward to Peter/Mask

THIS MIGHT BE A FIGHT!!!!

[slicksouthpaw16]

1. It was his first fight at heavyweight, not a bad win.

2. He would beat Holyfield in much better fashion then Lewis did, styles make fights.

Please, Roy is not a heavyweight man. Holyfield at any age would be too much for him because he knows how to fight smaller opponents and would not stare at him while he is being out boxed. He would use his size and work behind the jab, then attack Roy as he layed on the ropes.

3. I would pick Lewis and the Klitschko's to beat him but like I said anything can happen. Prior to losing to Tarver, anything was possible with Roy.

Anything can happen like what? Roy is a natural middleweight so you think that he would be able to land a magical punch on these natural heavyweight and knock them out? When Roy fought Ruiz, he was 5'10 and a little over 200 lbs. Lennox is 6'5 and over 240 lbs. Wladimir Klitschko is 6'6 and also 240 lbs. Vitali Klitschko is 6'8 and over 2'50 lbs. Enough said. Again, Roy is not a heavyweight.

4. I'm not really a fan of his, I just can't stand the disprespect towards Roy. Until some other former middleweight steps up and beats any heavyweight title holder, Roy's accomplishment remains great.

Any poster that tries to pump up an average fighter like he is an all time great, just to make his fighter look good is obviously a fan. And you want another middleweight that stepped up to win the heavyweight title, like i have mentioned before, James Toney did it. Not only that but he captured every belt from middleweight up, even cruiser weight.

[crold1]

It is also fact that Lewis beat the man who beat the man going back to Floyd Patterson-Archie Moore, making him the Heavyweight champion of the world. It is also fact that Ruiz-Holyfield for the WBA belt occurred because Ruiz (through King) sued for his mando and the court overturned the ruling of the WBA that lewis could meet Grant and then face Ruiz in his next fight. It is fact that Lewis went to court and said he would give Ruiz next shot after Grant.

Does that then make it fact that Ruiz became a titilist by way of actually ducking the real Heavyweight champion? Don't suppose that could have had anything to do with King wanting to maintain a belt under the notion that some people will just go "Gosh, it's a belt. It must mean something."

[Mr. Ryan]

It is also fact that Lewis beat the man who beat the man going back to Floyd Patterson-Archie Moore, making him the Heavyweight champion of the world. It is also fact that Ruiz-Holyfield for the WBA belt occurred because Ruiz (through King) sued for his mando and the court overturned the ruling of the WBA that lewis could meet Grant and then face Ruiz in his next fight. It is fact that Lewis went to court and said he would give Ruiz next shot after Grant. That makes it fact that Ruiz became a titlist by way of ducking the real Heavyweight champion.

Remember when John Ruiz said after his DQ win over Kirk Johnson that that made him the best heavyweight in the world?

I'm not knocking Ruiz, he had a good career and beat a lot of good fighters along the way. I just refuse to call a man heavyweight champion until he beats the heavyweight champion.

[My Name Is...]

It is also fact that Lewis beat the man who beat the man going back to Floyd Patterson-Archie Moore, making him the Heavyweight champion of the world. It is also fact that Ruiz-Holyfield for the WBA belt occurred because Ruiz (through King) sued for his mando and the court overturned the ruling of the WBA that lewis could meet Grant and then face Ruiz in his next fight. It is fact that Lewis went to court and said he would give Ruiz next shot after Grant.

Does that then make it fact that Ruiz became a titilist by way of actually ducking the real Heavyweight champion? Don't suppose that could have had anything to do with King wanting to maintain a belt under the notion that some people will just go "Gosh, it's a belt. It must mean something."

but he was the wba champ at the time, there is no argueiong that, regardless of how he got it

[tyson]

I just believe that someone who actually goes out there and earns the title of "World Champion" in his division should get some respect, enough to say that there should be no other champion amongst him. All others are titlists.

When Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson, Don King tried to turn the tables and say that Douglas was really knocked out by Tyson in the 8th round , but the referee didn't count properly. Being that King had so much influence over these organizations, the titles were held up until an inquiry was completed. Never mind the rules, that a 10 count is up to a referee's discretion. King put money in these guys pockets and they followed his bouncing ball. The people knew who the real champion was and refused to recognize a guy who was knocked out (Mike Tyson) as their heavyweight champion. The alphabet gangs lamented.

What of Don King fighters who, regardless of how they performed in their last fight, find their way into title fights. Does signing with Don King make you that much a better fighter that it automatically warrants a title opportunity?

What I am doing is challenging the validity and credability of these silly organization bodies and refusing to give them the power to say who is champion and who isn't. I knew for sure that Marco Antonio Barrera was the Featherweight champion when he beat Naseem Hamed. Did he have a belt to back him up? No. Did he need one? Hell no.

Whatever belts are out there, good for them. They're making their money in the ultimate racket in boxing. I don't concern myself with all of that because I know who is the best out there now.

A world title is a world title. A guy who is the WBA Heavyweight titlist, that is his title. What's in a title? I can start a company and my job title will be "Greatest Mother****er Ever". Does that make me "The Greatest Mother****er Ever," or does it require more than just that?

To be champion is something completely different. It takes more than just picking up some vacant trinket to be world champion.

Then again, that is your opinion and I'd die to defend your right to type it.

All good opinions here. And I agree with you, no arguments.
But as we're not discussing what we should and should not put into the meaning of the word "champion", it's all irrelevant in this particular discussion.

HTownTexan repeats himself several times over with the only thing that matters, the fact.

Per definition, Roy Jones Jr. was A heavyweight champion.
You can go ahead and make enough people start screaming at the organizations to change the definition of the word, but until then, Roy Jones will be viewed as one of thousand heavyweight champions.

You know powerful people in the industry; make something happen.

And my post didn't include my personal opinion.
I pointed out the double standard in your argument.

You say you know who the best out there are. Which means what?
That we should call that person the real champion?

Sorry, it's all opinions until we get rid of all the title, make tournaments and settle for a champion that people have to beat to be called the best.