Seriously...who believes RJJ was ever Heavyweight Champ?

[RayLeonard82]

Roy won a piece of the heavyweight title. To say he should have challenged Lennox Lewis would be ridicuous because no fighter in the history of boxing has ever faced a opponent with that big a size advanage. Had they fought

Roy - 5-11 overblown 200 pounds

Lennox - 6-5 natural 250 pounds WITH SKILLS


Marvin Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard, Ray Robinson have never taken on a challenge like this EVER and its not even close

[tyson]

I assume Roy would get killed by all them big guys. It's common sense, it's logic and it's a probability.
But what it is NOT is a certainty.

If's and butt's does not count for anything when we look at history.

If we take lineage and **** into consideration, it does not look like Ruiz was a champion, a man who beat the man who had that particular belt.
I can go along with that, but only if we can then say that the champion lineage retired with Lennox Lewis.

Then we cannot say that Wlad is THE champion either.

Unless there is arranged a tournament were the top 8 heavy's fight eachother to find out who is the best, there can be no REAL champion.

Regardless who you people think are the best.

[Vladimir303]

Please, Roy is not a heavyweight man. Holyfield at any age would be too much for him because he knows how to fight smaller opponents and would not stare at him while he is being out boxed

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At any age, didn't lil James Toney own that ass? Roy would dominate just as well.

Anything can happen like what? Roy is a natural middleweight so you think that he would be able to land a magical punch on these natural heavyweight and knock them out? When Roy fought Ruiz, he was 5'10 and a little over 200 lbs. Lennox is 6'5 and over 240 lbs. Wladimir Klitschko is 6'6 and also 240 lbs. Vitali Klitschko is 6'8 and over 2'50 lbs. Enough said. Again, Roy is not a heavyweight

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Actually Roy is listed as 5'11, not that it matters. Anything can happen because Roy is great and at his prime he can do great things. But like I said, I got Lewis and the Klitschko's winning.

Any poster that tries to pump up an average fighter like he is an all time great, just to make his fighter look good is obviously a fan. And you want another middleweight that stepped up to win the heavyweight title, like i have mentioned before, James Toney did it. Not only that but he captured every belt from middleweight up, even cruiser weight.

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Comprehension skills, I DID NOT pump up Ruiz to be an all time great. I simply stated facts that he was a decent heavyweight fighter in his time. He defeated Rahman, Holyfield.....you know the same holyfield that you said would beat RJJ at any age.

[slicksouthpaw16]

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At any age, didn't lil James Toney own that ass? Roy would dominate just as well.

Actually Roy is listed as 5'11, not that it matters. Anything can happen because Roy is great and at his prime he can do great things. But like I said, I got Lewis and the Klitschko's winning.

Styles makes fights. Toney is far tougher than Roy is. Roy would not be willing to fight in close quarters the way Toney did. When Toney had Evander hurt, he immediately went to the body and Roy would not be close to the bigger Holyfield.Toney took hard shots and weathered the storm. Roy does not like to be hit, period. I see Holyfield eventually cathing up with Roy and stopping him. Roy is vulnerable for counter right hands and Holdyfield even at that stage in his career had one of the best right hand counter's in heavyweight history. Again, quit matching him against these heavyweights.


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Comprehension skills, I DID NOT pump up Ruiz to be an all time great. I simply stated facts that he was a decent heavyweight fighter in his time. He defeated Rahman, Holyfield.....you know the same holyfield that you said would beat RJJ at any age.

If i am remembering correctly, i recall you saying that Ruiz has a chance at beating every heavyweight today and Roy was the only middleweight that could move from middleweight to capture a heavyweight belt. Which both are completely wrong because Ruiz would lose to Chagaev again, would be knocked out by Klitshcko, and knockout by Sam Peter. You also tried the make Roy's victory better by saying that Ruiz beat Holyfield and Hassim Rachman. Its just laughable the way you are making Ruiz out to be great. Hes a mediocre champion that got his hands on a belt Never was he great, never was he dominate, and never will he ever be mentioned among the greatest of all time. Again, i give Roy credit for moving up and Roy himself is a great fighter, but don't try to match him up with great heavyweights or make John Ruiz out to be better than he is.

[Vladimir303]

Styles makes fights. Toney is far tougher than Roy is. Roy would not be willing to fight in close quarters the way Toney did. When Toney had Evander hurt, he immediately went to the body and Roy would not be close to the bigger Holyfield.Toney took hard shots and weathered the storm. Roy does not like to be hit, period. I see Holyfield eventually cathing up with Roy and stopping him. Roy is vulnerable for counter right hands and Holdyfield even at that stage in his career had one of the best right hand counter's in heavyweight history. Again, quit matching him against these heavyweights.

Roy would **** all over Holyfield's style......100%


[I]

If i am remembering correctly, i recall you saying that Ruiz has a chance at beating every heavyweight today

and Roy was the only middleweight that could move from middleweight to capture a heavyweight belt. Which both are completely wrong because Ruiz would lose to Chagaev again, would be knocked out by Klitshcko, and knockout by Sam Peter. You also tried the make Roy's victory better by saying that Ruiz beat Holyfield and Hassim Rachman. Its just laughable the way you are making Ruiz out to be great. Hes a mediocre champion that got his hands on a belt Never was he great, never was he dominate, and never will he ever be mentioned among the greatest of all time. Again, i give Roy credit for moving up and Roy himself is a great fighter, but don't try to match him up with great heavyweights or make John Ruiz out to be better than he is.[/

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Yes chance as in not being a huge underdog in any fight. He almost defeated Valuev didn't he? Some say he got robbed. He is not unbeatable but he did get the job done on many occasions when he wasn't supposed to. And Chagaev only beat him by a split decision so it's not out of quesiton that Ruiz could beat him in a rematch.


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Just because Roy didn't defeat a great heavyweight doesn't mean that it wasn't a great accomplishment.


Sidenote: You need to learn when to quit. Going on for the sake of just going on is ******. You're not gonna change my mind that Roy would have a shot at beating Lennox Lewis no matter what you say.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Sidenote: You need to learn when to quit. Going on for the sake of just going on is ******. You're not gonna change my mind that Roy would have a shot at beating Lennox Lewis no matter what you say.

Which is why this debate comes to an end here. You are clearly a fan that won't except the truth. You just continue babbling, even though you don't believe it.

you guys ever seen this?

[moofo]

you guys ever seen this?

Hahahahahnha.

"you ****en ***gits Roy was da Heavyweight Chump fo real...y'all must've forgot...."

And he never used steroids either.
Of course he was the HW champ and Lennox lewis wasn't.
Damn it I must be a hater.....

[crold1]

Tyson: Wlad is not THE champion and those who say he is are leaping; I think it's close to a closed issue but he needs to beat Chagaev. Then the lineage is truly restarted.

[Kendo]

Hahahahahnha.

"you ****en ***gits Roy was da Heavyweight Chump fo real...y'all must've forgot...."

And he never used steroids either.
Of course he was the HW champ and Lennox lewis wasn't.
Damn it I must be a hater.....

so wait not for anything. should we actually say that PBF IS the WW champion. he holds a title but he hasnt fought any of the other title holders. he fought a blown up hatton and he is going to fight oscar again. so can we call him a WW champion? you are saying roy took the title from the worst HW of the time. he beat baldomir and judah for the WW titles. not the best i think.