Dan goosen speaking on Williams/Cotto/Margarito/Cintron.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

crillz, your losing this argument badly.......bottom line is, you can't compaire Mayweather to Cotto right now, I'm sorry.

Not taking anything away from Coto but he's not fought the opposition that mayweather has. Mayweather at 130 cleaned out the division, plain and simple. Cotto's biggest wins are against an over the hill Mosley and an underachieving bum in Judah.

Mayweather fought much better opposition in his 20's and his fight against DLH was much more impressive than Cotto's against Mosley. DLH and Mosley are both past their prime but remember, DLH was mcuh bigger than Mayweather, a better boxer than Mosley at this stage in their career's and Cotto was the bigger stronger man vs Mosley and Mosley stood toe2toe with Cotto.

I respect Cotto but to say he's more accomplished than mayweather or deserves more credit is insane. I'm not fan of Mayweather, I don't care for him as a person but his record speaks for it'self. He's the best pound4pound fighter in the world right now.

[SkillspayBills]

Before i use to respect your post but i cant believe some of the thing your wrote on this post, Spadafora???? Dorin???Hamed,Marquez and Morales LOL..I hope you realise that they were at 126 or bamtamweight at that time???...In 2005 Hatton saidhe wasnt ready so how is that mayweather's fault?? Tsyzu was injured for 2 years when he cameback he had Sharmba mitchell to deal with after that he had to fight Hatton( HIS MANDATORY)..

Yes PBF didnt fight Casamayor but does he have to fight everybody in his weight before he moves up? He beat the champion in castillo.

Trust me while you're trying to make some point you didnt do yourself justice by coming up with some of the names and times you came up with.

Casa and Frietas both turned down 1.5 million dollar offers to face PBF, someone had the link I forgot who though.

[crillz]

Before i use to respect your post but i cant believe some of the thing your wrote on this post, Spadafora???? Dorin???Hamed,Marquez and Morales LOL..I hope you realise that they were at 126 or bamtamweight at that time???...In 2005 Hatton saidhe wasnt ready so how is that mayweather's fault?? Tsyzu was injured for 2 years when he cameback he had Sharmba mitchell to deal with after that he had to fight Hatton( HIS MANDATORY)..

Yes PBF didnt fight Casamayor but does he have to fight everybody in his weight before he moves up? He beat the champion in castillo.

Trust me while you're trying to make some point you didnt do yourself justice by coming up with some of the names and times you came up with.

yo respect only takes but ye far, I don't hold that too deeply for nobody who's hands I can't personally shake or eyes I can't look into fam so keep your respect..

I said that because the person said Floyd fought all the top guys so I'm like "o he did?" well I don't see such and such who were poppin at that time.. he could have gotten Nassem Hamed or any of the other 3 Mexican fighters I named up for 1 fight against him, he damn well could have yo but he didn't. regardless all those names were highly ranked in the weight at the time which is why I named them and if he fought all the TOP guys he would have faced them but since he didn't then he DIDN'T face all the top guys, he didn't even face the best of the title holders.

you say Tszyu was injured and Hatton wasn't ready but what about the other dudes who may not have been champions but were stable at that weight? he fought Corley, N'Dou and Gatti then bounced to fight yet another 140 pounder and pass it off as a Welterweight fight.. granted.. but don't sit there and tell me he fought the best of his weights yo when in all but Lightweight there were better champions out there and there were certainly better non champions that he could have fought instead of *****z like Emmanuel Burton..

don't insult my intelligence yo. YES he has to fight everybody in his weight and then move up if he's going to claim that he fought the best of the best, like how can you say that when Casamayor was at his undefeated prime and Floyd didn't even glance at him? I got a magazine somewhere in my drawer where on the cover it said" Mayweather VS Hamed: The Fight That Needs To Happen" or some **** like that and why would it say some **** like that if it wasn't possible?

it very much was yo people move up in weight all day everyday just ask Sharmba Mitchell who moved up from his weight to face Floyd for basically no reason, made it harder on himself to win by putting on 7 more pounds for nothing at all. thing is he didn't want to do that, he didn't take on the VERY best of his class yo he took on some great solid guys to his credit but not the TOP GUYS in his division. respect THAT.

[Ray*]

Casa and Frietas both turned down 1.5 million dollar offers to face PBF, someone had the link I forgot who though.

I didnt even know that but Mayweather seems to be the only fighter who has to fight everyone in his division before his allowed to move up.


I mean bringing up names like Naz when He was a featherweight (126), Marquez nobody even knew him at that time, Spadafora who was in prison, Dorin who was KTFO by Gatti and Morales who was fighting at superbamtanweight on the time is a bit Over the top.

[crillz]

When fought Rudolfo Lunsford he weigh in at 149 and he also weigh in at 144 in one of his early fight..All this fights i saw on youtube.

yea but when you say he fought at 149 it implies Welterweight or a higher class ya dig he just weighed more but officially on the scales he was 140 for the fight, whatever ha gained he gained ya dig that ain't nothing new.

[juanroldan]

Cotto deserves to fight Floyd. Williams deserves to fight Cotto.

who deserves their shot first? Cotto does. He's more accomplished, more suceesfful and more popular, and paid his dues longer (taken more tougher fights) than Williams.

i think it's obvious you will find most everyone who wants Williams to fight Cotto first is either a Williams promoter, floyd nuthugger or a paid or unpaid floyd shill.

[SkillspayBills]

I didnt even know that but Mayweather seems to be the only fighter who has to fight everyone in his division before his allowed to move up.


I mean bringing up names like Naz when He was a featherweight (126), Marquez nobody even knew him at that time, Spadafora who was in prison, Dorin who was KTFO by Gatti and Morales who was fighting at superbamtanweight on the time is a bit Over the top.

He challenged Naz right after the Corrales fight but Naz had his eyes on Barrera. Theothers you are correct about so basically, crillz is grasping at straws.

[Ray*]

yo respect only takes but ye far, I don't hold that too deeply for nobody who's hands I can't personally shake or eyes I can't look into fam so keep your respect..

I said that because the person said Floyd fought all the top guys so I'm like "o he did?" well I don't see such and such who were poppin at that time.. he could have gotten Nassem Hamed or any of the other 3 Mexican fighters I named up for 1 fight against him, he damn well could have yo but he didn't. regardless all those names were highly ranked in the weight at the time which is why I named them and if he fought all the TOP guys he would have faced them but since he didn't then he DIDN'T face all the top guys, he didn't even face the best of the title holders.

you say Tszyu was injured and Hatton wasn't ready but what about the other dudes who may not have been champions but were stable at that weight? he fought Corley, N'Dou and Gatti then bounced to fight yet another 140 pounder and pass it off as a Welterweight fight.. granted.. but don't sit there and tell me he fought the best of his weights yo when in all but Lightweight there were better champions out there and there were certainly better non champions that he could have fought instead of *****z like Emmanuel Burton..

don't insult my intelligence yo. YES he has to fight everybody in his weight and then move up if he's going to claim that he fought the best of the best, like how can you say that when Casamayor was at his undefeated prime and Floyd didn't even glance at him? I got a magazine somewhere in my drawer where on the cover it said" Mayweather VS Hamed: The Fight That Needs To Happen" or some **** like that and why would it say some **** like that if it wasn't possible?

it very much was yo people move up in weight all day everyday just ask Sharmba Mitchell who moved up from his weight to face Floyd for basically no reason, made it harder on himself to win by putting on 7 more pounds for nothing at all. thing is he didn't want to do that, he didn't take on the VERY best of his class yo he took on some great solid guys to his credit but not the TOP GUYS in his division. respect THAT.

Trust me I really dont like your double standard on this one, If a fight doesnt happen so we should all blame one person? Trust me am a brit and i remember Mayweather calling out Naz but Naz was making major money and everybody was calling him out including Morales,Barrera and Marquez...Naz had control over who he fights..He could have fought Mayweather at 130 if he wanted to but the fight never materialise for one reason or another.

You made it sound like a 22 year old Mayweather has to fight Marquee fight all the time because he fought Emmanuel Burton?? LOL, I really dont care for Mayweather but i would defend him when i feel people are been hypocritical.

I have questioned the reason why Cotto would fight Gomez but also understand but you seem to want to defend Cotto and critise mayweather for them doing the samething so on that note i wouldnt even try to continue this discussion.

[Ray*]

He challenged Naz right after the Corrales fight as well and Naz was nowhere to be found. Theothers you are correct about so basically, crillz is grasping at straws.

I know about that apart from me being a Brit.. i use to watch all Naz's fight and i remember PBF calling him out but Naz had too many option at the time and wasnt ready to move up in weigh.


Naz had people like Morales, Barrera at super bantamweight and he had Marquez who he avoided at the time so i dont understand Crillz's logic.

[crillz]

crillz, your losing this argument badly.......bottom line is, you can't compaire Mayweather to Cotto right now, I'm sorry.

Not taking anything away from Coto but he's not fought the opposition that mayweather has. Mayweather at 130 cleaned out the division, plain and simple. Cotto's biggest wins are against an over the hill Mosley and an underachieving bum in Judah. **you have it vested in you to discredit these guys, you even did it before you named them**

Mayweather fought much better opposition in his 20's and his fight against DLH was much more impressive than Cotto's against Mosley. DLH and Mosley are both past their prime but remember, DLH was mcuh bigger than Mayweather, a better boxer than Mosley at this stage in their career's and Cotto was the bigger stronger man vs Mosley and Mosley stood toe2toe with Cotto.

I respect Cotto but to say he's more accomplished than mayweather or deserves more credit is insane. I'm not fan of Mayweather, I don't care for him as a person but his record speaks for it'self. He's the best pound4pound fighter in the world right now.

this is insane yo I said Cotto been moving up in class every single fight up even until his last opponent in Shane Mosley and he has beaten strong and solid opposition whom most went on to either be champions again or fight for titles like Quintana, Torres and Malignaggi I ain't never say Cotto was better than Floyd. honestly De La Hoya and Mosley are even there yo, Mosley can box when he wants to but much like Oscar he tends to flurry and exchange once **** gets gully, guys like Oscar give up their skills for the sake of the fight much like guys like Mosley blaze out and have a punch fest, thats how they are already yo so Oscar might have some better tools than Mosley but whats it worth when he doesn't use them?

I never said Cotto is better than Floyd with his skills nor his resume I just said Cotto fought solid opposition since his 10th fight and has been moving up in class since, Cotto beat a few of the guys Mayweather beat and worse, he stops Corley, Judah, Sosa and knocks Jukko out earlier, **** is crazy how people **** on Cotto this way. Floyd was just on the move up and fought a few guys in each division before hitting a point where he just stopped fighting the best which is what he's doing now, he beat Hatton when he shouldn't have even fought him, then get this funny **** out yo Shane turns down Floyd for a medical reason and Hatton turns down Floyd "because he's not ready" meanwhile Floyd fights hatton and doesn't look at Shane and Cotto beats a tougher Shane and then Floyd's ass get kissed for beating Oscar and Hatton, **** is crazy to me. Cotto has a long way to go before he can be up there with Floyd because he didn't have the benefit of being so small that he could just keep going up weights and be successful, 140 and 147 was his calling card and any more weight and he wont be the same.

see you think I'm saying Cotto has a better resume than Floyd and I'm not but I'm saying he kept going up and up and up in class every fight and even his next opponent is the guy who retired the man who made Floyd a PPV showcase ya dig, Floyd gets more credit for facing these guys than what others do. Floyd beats Judah and suddenly Judah is shot when he faces Cotto, I be like huh?? Cotto would have done the same thing a year before on the night Floyd did it because he simply took his best and proved he was better in this year or the last or the next yo Judah wasn't shot, but people are made to think a certain way and Floyd will always have a credit to him that at this point is untouchable, he's up there with De La hoya where he got all these championships in all these weight classes but you never stop and think who he beat FOR THE BELTS? who he defended them titles to? how good was the opponent when he beat them? you know the ballistics you just get washed into the numbers and yes while I can admit Floyd got more pound for pound best fighters on his resume it wont be long if Cotto can beat these Welterweights where he passes Floyd especially if he beats Tony, Gomez and someone else this year while Floyd only faces Oscar.. or let me guess that's better than what Cotto would be doing too?

**my bad for the long ass post**