Dan goosen speaking on Williams/Cotto/Margarito/Cintron.

[crillz]

but there not doing that with Cotto, right? I swear you guys act like Cotto has beat Margarito, Cintron, Clottey, and Willliams all back to back. Dude's resume isnt noway near as great as people make it out to be. Also, lets be real about it. How many of those cats had any kind of chance of beating Cotto? He was far too big for anyone he fought at 140. Even the guys who gave him hell just eventually couldnt hold up. Anyone can beat up on smaller guys. Its also been basically the same at WW. He's been just too damn big for his oppoents. The only one fight I give him a ton of credit for is Mosley and Im still not sold on that fight like everyone else is.

Again, I wont give this cat the same hype as you guys until he beats a full blown big WW like Williams, Margarito, Clottey, or even Cintron who I dont think is even that good. I wouldnt even mind if he fought Collazo. He just hasnt done it yet at all. Those little guys were not going to beat Cotto. They just werent. Fight someone your own size. Havent you guys heard of that before? "Why dont you just pick on someone your own size". Beat a big WW and then I will give you credit. Even Shane who went up to 154 looked much smaller then Cotto in the ring and the HBO guys pointed it out immediatly. None of those other guys I named would look smaller then Cotto. Then I would give him credit. It is way different punching someone who is as big as you and can take it. It is much different getting hit by someone as big as you are. For people to keep overlooking that its a joke. Thats why he wants Floyd because he see's him as this little cat. ****, I wouldnt even had mind if he fought a prime Baldy

thing is you ain't calling a spade a spade, Quintana wasn't a bigger dude? Mosley, whom fought at 154, wasn't a bigger dude? Alfonso Gomez who fought at Middleweight ain't a bigger dude? thing is you just looking for reasons to bash Cotto and not Floyd.. and before you go bashing Cotto for fighting smaller guys speak about Floyd's last opponent. and don't give me that whole "well Floyd fought at 130" bull**** because Oscar and Shane both fought at 153 and are now bigger than a lot of Welterweights out there, Floyd grew into Welterweight so him fighting Hatton is the same as what you saying Cotto is doing accept Hatton is a lesser opponent than Shane Mosley is.

you truly are an idiot though blaming size as a issue yo what about Williams who fought Sharmba Mitchell, Santos Pakau, Walter Mathysse ALL whom were considerably smaller at 5'9 to 6'1, Williams could be a Super Middleweight if he wanted to with that height and frame and you trying to seriously sit there and say COTTO of all people is besting up on guys smaller than him?

you an idiot for that one yo Cotto is a short dude and everytime he fought at 140 it was HIM at the disadvantage because you make it seem like he put on mad weight, no he didn't especially against Torres where Cotto was exactly 140, even fight against a guy 1 inch taller than him in Torres.. get ya ****ing facts straight and stop looking for bull**** reasons to bash Cotto just cuz you don't like him. the bold is the most truthful part of your whole post..

[-Antonio-]

Im pretty sure Williams turned pro at Middleweight too.

[Ray*]

This is what i dont get though Paul williams is being squeeze out by Bob Arum, Arum has control or would control over 2 belts at 147 when Margarito crushes cintron again, My thing why dont Bob Arum work through a Margarito/Williams rematch for him to redeem himself before going ahead with the Cotto fight or just make Cotto/Williams??? Didnt Margarito loses to Williams?? If so why still trying to build up a Cotto/Margarito fight???

[Ray*]

Im pretty sure Williams turned pro at Middleweight too.

Well he fought in around 154 to 159 but all pro does that, I mean cotto fought in around 140-149 when he turns pro, He then settle down at 140.

[crillz]

You are a funny guy. Floyds 6 titles in 5 classes means nothing? Only a idiot will say that. Who has Floyd beat? He beat the top guy in every division he fought at. He definatly did at 130 & 135. He was trying to fight Hatton at 140 but Hatton said NO. Then Floyd just knocked him out so to me he beat the man at that weight also. It dont matter if you say that Zab or Baldy was the man at WW because Floyd beat them both. At 154 Oscar wasnt the #1 guy but everyone had him rated as the best guy at that weight hands down.

Oscar is a past his prime bum but he had just decapitated Mayorga who people sweat? You also have to remember that Floyd isnt a big WW who moved up to fight Oscar. Floyd is a super small cat who beat him which meas alot more then you give him credit for. I love it how you say that Oscar was a past his prime cat but you make it sound like Mosley was 24 years old? That win doesnt carry half the weight. Also like I said, Floyd beat an Oscar who was much bigger then him while Cotto made Shane look like a little boy size wise but that doesnt matter, does it?

Then you must dont know anything about boxing if you think that Mosley win is better then all those Floyd wins you named. You think an old ass Mosley who Cotto is much bigger then is better then beating a undefeated murdered in Chico? You must havent been watching boxing long because Chico was a killer, undefeated, knocking out every top guy, and was super huge compared to Floyd but he got dominated.

yea but Chico was also VERY 1 dimensional and long arm Floyd was able to expose that, he didn't know where to swing at when Floyd hit him with all those angles, YOU the one who ain't been watching Boxing long enough yo how you going to say the Oscar win for Floyd was more impressive than the Mosley win for Cotto when Mosley beat Oscar twice, as is he is a much tougher opponent because he DOESN'T gas out and brings the pain for all 12, he was also a SMW and he was HOT in the mix at a division where for 3 fights Floyd hasn't done **** at.. sure you can say Oscar was bigger than Floyd but Floyd had the skills, I had no doubt who would win that fight because I know Oscar and I know Floyd, Oscar frustrates against Boxers like Floyd and Floyd wasn't completely 154 yo he was a few pounds under, bottomline is you could say that all you want but all you doing is looking for excuses to justify a meaningless win in the division where Floyd holds a belt, I can't say that for Cotto, he added Sugar Shane Mosley to his list of defenses of his crown..

Floyd HASN'T fought the best guys at 130, 135 and 140, **** even 147 yo. at 130 he skipped past Acelino Freitas and Joel Casamayor when Joel was still a threat, didn't even stick around and wait for Marquez, Hamed, Morales nor Barrera he just dipped up out of sight so in that bunch the best he beat was Manfredy, Corrales and Hernandez, and even Chavez.. granted.. but compare them to those he didn't face at that time. at 135 he had Dorin, Johnson and Spadafora and but he just fought Castillo twice, Sosa and N'Dou then bounced to 140, at 140 he could have faced a young Cotto, Vivian Harris, Lovemore N'Dou, Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton or even Sharmba Mitchell at 140 and not drag him 1 up to make his first fight at 147 against someone at 140, any of those guys would have qualified for a better hoorah.

then at 2005 instead of facing Ricky Hatton before moving up he goes and faces Mitchell at 147 just to move on to face Judah then Baldomir only to until this very day not face another legit Welterweight meanwhile Cotto has been running threw undefeated names, beating champions and challengers alike and just running up in class every single fight, up until Shane Mosley himself yo c'mon now and you want to tell me Floyd fought the top guys in those divisions? and Oscar De La Hoya wasn't considered no best by nobody, he wasn't a pound for pound fighter since 2003 and had lost 2 of his last 5 and 1 of the 3 he did win was a robbery so NO De La Hoya wasn't no best of nothing yo on paper he was a fighter on the come back and instead of Floyd facing Spinks or Forrest he goes at Oscar and suddenly the money man is revived again and people act like if for 3+ years he wasn't in the ****ing pits all cuz "Money May" fought him.. for every good dude he fought there were better out there, guys who also held titles and were just better opponents so why didn't he face them?

not to say he was scared cuz he could have beaten them all but still that don't mean he DID it, the ***** got up outta dodge when the heavy hitters came to play, Corrales stood and fought the best in those Lightweight, Floyd bounced and took no part in it yet he fought the ****ing best? you trippin yo I ain't saying he didn't win those titles in good fights but you mean to tell me he couldn't pick a better champion than Arturo Gatti and Junior Welterweight to fight? c'mon man be for ****ing real you making hella excuses and downplaying someone who has been facing nothing but the best guys available to him, guys who went on only 2 fights later to be champions again and established threats that all the long time best people now have to face like Hatton with Torres and Malignaggi and Williams with Quintana yo call a spade a spade, and then Cotto goes and beats Mosley who is a harder fight than Oscar was at ANY time and actually beat Oscar twice and you want to say that because of weight that Oscar was a better win for Floyd than what Mosley was for Cotto? get a clue fam..

[crillz]

This is what i dont get though Paul williams is being squeeze out by Bob Arum, Arum has control or would control over 2 belts at 147 when Margarito crushes cintron again, My thing why dont Bob Arum work through a Margarito/Williams rematch for him to redeem himself before going ahead with the Cotto fight or just make Cotto/Williams??? Didnt Margarito loses to Williams?? If so why still trying to build up a Cotto/Margarito fight???
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Well he fought in around 154 to 159 but all pro does that, I mean cotto fought in around 140-149 when he turns pro, He then settle down at 140.

because if 2 of his fighters fight then he gets more money than if he has to cut another promoter into the mix, yes this old mother****er is actually putting his needs and himself in front of the fighters who actually fight the fights, it's like **** his legacy let me just get paid first and **** could happen. without doing ****, no work at all this ******* gets not only MORE money than the fighters but he cuts out a deserving Williams from the stirring pot and OVER HYPES this show down in July because when it happens the winner there is Arum, he collects a **** load of dollars which is why he wants it to take place in either a place with a lot of Mexicans or in New York or Puerto Rico where there's a lot of Puerto Ricans, thats why he's cutting out Williams, for his own self fish, no weight lifting, never boxed in his life, silver spoon fed ass to keep living free off of these hard working fighters risk their lively hoods everyday..
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Cotto been fighting at 140 since he first turned pro..
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...3535&cat=boxer

[Ray*]

yea but Chico was also VERY 1 dimensional and long arm Floyd was able to expose that, he didn't know where to swing at when Floyd hit him with all those angles, YOU the one who ain't been watching Boxing long enough yo how you going to say the Oscar win for Floyd was more impressive than the Mosley win for Cotto when Mosley beat Oscar twice, as is he is a much tougher opponent because he DOESN'T gas out and brings the pain for all 12, he was also a SMW and he was HOT in the mix at a division where for 3 fights Floyd hasn't done **** at.. sure you can say Oscar was bigger than Floyd but Floyd had the skills, I had no doubt who would win that fight because I know Oscar and I know Floyd, Oscar frustrates against Boxers like Floyd and Floyd wasn't completely 154 yo he was a few pounds under, bottomline is you could say that all you want but all you doing is looking for excuses to justify a meaningless win in the division where Floyd holds a belt, I can't say that for Cotto, he added Sugar Shane Mosley to his list of defenses of his crown..

Floyd HASN'T fought the best guys at 130, 135 and 140, **** even 147 yo. at 130 he skipped past Acelino Freitas and Joel Casamayor when Joel was still a threat, didn't even stick around and wait for Marquez, Hamed, Morales nor Barrera he just dipped up out of sight so in that bunch the best he beat was Manfredy, Corrales and Hernandez, and even Chavez.. granted.. but compare them to those he didn't face at that time. at 135 he had Dorin, Johnson and Spadafora and but he just fought Castillo twice, Sosa and N'Dou then bounced to 140, at 140 he could have faced a young Cotto, Vivian Harris, Lovemore N'Dou, Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton or even Sharmba Mitchell at 140 and not drag him 1 up to make his first fight at 147 against someone at 140, any of those guys would have qualified for a better hoorah.

then at 2005 instead of facing Ricky Hatton before moving up he goes and faces Mitchell at 147 just to move on to face Judah then Baldomir only to until this very day not face another legit Welterweight meanwhile Cotto has been running threw undefeated names, beating champions and challengers alike and just running up in class every single fight, up until Shane Mosley himself yo c'mon now and you want to tell me Floyd fought the top guys in those divisions? and Oscar De La Hoya wasn't considered no best by nobody, he wasn't a pound for pound fighter since 2003 and had lost 2 of his last 5 and 1 of the 3 he did win was a robbery so NO De La Hoya wasn't no best of nothing yo on paper he was a fighter on the come back and instead of Floyd facing Spinks or Forrest he goes at Oscar and suddenly the money man is revived again and people act like if for 3+ years he wasn't in the ****ing pits all cuz "Money May" fought him.. for every good dude he fought there were better out there, guys who also held titles and were just better opponents so why didn't he face them?

not to say he was scared cuz he could have beaten them all but still that don't mean he DID it, the ***** got up outta dodge when the heavy hitters came to play, Corrales stood and fought the best in those Lightweight, Floyd bounced and took no part in it yet he fought the ****ing best? you trippin yo I ain't saying he didn't win those titles in good fights but you mean to tell me he couldn't pick a better champion than Arturo Gatti and Junior Welterweight to fight? c'mon man be for ****ing real you making hella excuses and downplaying someone who has been facing nothing but the best guys available to him, guys who went on only 2 fights later to be champions again and established threats that all the long time best people now have to face like Hatton with Torres and Malignaggi and Williams with Quintana yo call a spade a spade, and then Cotto goes and beats Mosley who is a harder fight than Oscar was at ANY time and actually beat Oscar twice and you want to say that because of weight that Oscar was a better win for Floyd than what Mosley was for Cotto? get a clue fam..

Before i use to respect your post but i cant believe some of the thing your wrote on this post, Spadafora???? Dorin???Hamed,Marquez and Morales LOL..I hope you realise that they were at 126 or bamtamweight at that time???...In 2005 Hatton saidhe wasnt ready so how is that mayweather's fault?? Tsyzu was injured for 2 years when he cameback he had Sharmba mitchell to deal with after that he had to fight Hatton( HIS MANDATORY)..

Yes PBF didnt fight Casamayor but does he have to fight everybody in his weight before he moves up? He beat the champion in castillo.

Trust me while you're trying to make some point you didnt do yourself justice by coming up with some of the names and times you came up with.

[RL_GMA]

It's not Williams' time yet ya'll, don't jump the gun. Cotto is a bigger name right now and has proven he's a PPV attraction. As a promoter you have to look at that as well as how good the fighter is.

Williams hasn't had that break through performance to garner him a PPV spot let alone a shot at Cotto or Mayweather just yet. He has to body Quintana this weekend to start throwin Williams name into the mix on a serious tip, but I think he'll win a decision. He doesn't have any power worth mentioning, but he's definitely a skilled fighter nonetheless (though he does leave himself open a lot).

[Ray*]

because if 2 of his fighters fight then he gets more money than if he has to cut another promoter into the mix, yes this old mother****er is actually putting his needs and himself in front of the fighters who actually fight the fights, it's like **** his legacy let me just get paid first and **** could happen. without doing ****, no work at all this ******* gets not only MORE money than the fighters but he cuts out a deserving Williams from the stirring pot and OVER HYPES this show down in July because when it happens the winner there is Arum, he collects a **** load of dollars which is why he wants it to take place in either a place with a lot of Mexicans or in New York or Puerto Rico where there's a lot of Puerto Ricans, thats why he's cutting out Williams, for his own self fish, no weight lifting, never boxed in his life, silver spoon fed ass to keep living free off of these hard working fighters risk their lively hoods everyday..
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Cotto been fighting at 140 since he first turned pro..
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...3535&cat=boxer

Thats why i dont blame fighters that go after a payday, I see what happens to past fighters like Gerald McClellan and what has the people that use to promote them has down??? The Don king arum of this world??? Nothing...So maybe we all should stop blaming Mayweather for the problems in Boxing today.

[Ray*]

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Cotto been fighting at 140 since he first turned pro..
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...3535&cat=boxer

When fought Rudolfo Lunsford he weigh in at 149 and he also weigh in at 144 in one of his early fight..All this fights i saw on youtube.