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    Dan goosen speaking on Williams/Cotto/Margarito/Cintron.

    What's the latest and greatest? You've got a big show on Saturday night, Paul Williams against Carlos Quintana. Tell us all about it. "Well it's nice to get him back in the ring. Quintana stepped up, and Paul is looking forward to getting back in the ring Saturday. As I said, before, during, and after, July 14th victory over Antonio Margarito, I believe he is the best welterweight in the world today."

    That's correct. If Paul Williams wins on Saturday night, where does he go from here? Is the next fight a unification fight?

    DG: It's hard to get a unification, As Bob Arum spelled out before to you, and to me, he always remembered the champions of boxing always looking to fight anyone who earned that right to fight for the championship. Speaking from a positiive standpoint, it hasn't been easy for Paul getting the other champions to fight him. I'd much rather have a fighter, like Paul, who are reluctant to get into the ring with him, rather than someone that they are standing in line to get to. Keep in mind that we had to go to court to get Antonio Margarito in the ring with Paul, nothing will come easy for obvious reasons, he's a tough fighter to fight. Once you get past his height, his wingspan, his constant throwing of punches, his constant pressure, and his will to win, and especially that he loves to fight, throw that all in a left-handed stance and you could understand why people have reservations about getting in with Paul.

    In your opinion do Paul Williams and Miguel Cotto need to fight each other, in order to provide Floyd Mayweather Jr. with a clear challenger to his welterweight supremacy?

    DG: I've got to tell you, you are the first person I've spoken to that's understood that. Yes. People say, "Paul, who?" The bottom line is, both of them (Cotto), in their own right, have done exceedingly well in their careers. Miguel, not having that really one defining fight against a De La Hoya, or a Mayweather, but certainly raising his profile out there with victories, and a fan base. Paul, who beat Antonio Margarito in front of a sell-out crowd at Home Depot Center and building his fan base. That crowd had a lot to do with Margarito, but as much to do with Paul Williams, because Margarito has never sold out an arena of that size, nor been paid in seven figures like that before, no matter who he ever fought before Paul. He held the title for close to seven years. Paul, in his own right, has generated a good, solid fan base. People can't say Paul who, and be correct, because he gave Antonio Margarito his biggest payday to date, close to $2 Million dollars. He's giving Carlos Quintana his biggest payday.

    Kermit Cintron did the opposite. We had $1,000,000 on the table to fight Cintron, but Cintron decided to take less than half the amount to fight on the undercard of Cotto. Margarito did the same to fight Cintron. As far as I'm concerned, Cotto's got his dance card filled until July. We're going to keep Paul busy, and by the end of the the year, by the last quarter of '08, I believe if Cotto is still undefeated, he and Paul have to fight to prove who is the top young welterweight champion.

    It will be a perfect match, the winner of that fight will have earned their right to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr., provided that Floyd is victorious against Oscar De La Hoya in September. I've got to give you credit, you hit the nail on the head, you understand it. Tommy Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Marvin Haggler, they fought everyone, and everybody. They never, ever backed away from a challenge. Even when the money was somewhat different.

    Keep in mind that a Cotto-Williams fight does gigantic business. I believe it's the biggest fight Cotto could have, other than a De La Hoya or a Mayweather. The fighters in those years wanted to prove, inside the ring, who was the best. That's what Paul wants to do. He doesn't need to call anyone out, just keep laying them down, and whatever it takes to get these fighters in the ring is what we'll do.
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    Goosen is right again. I cant believe some of the hypocrites on here dont see that. It should definatly be Cotto vs Williams to get to Floyd. Everyone was calling Margarito the most feared man on the planet and Williams beat him. Williams is much closer to Cotto then Cotto is to Floyd. Floyd is a 5 division champ with 6 titles and is regarded as the P4P best. On top of that he is by far the biggest name in the sport right now besides Oscar.

    People get so upset when Floyd talks about how something is not a big enough name or a big enough money fight but then they make an excuse for Cotto-Williams by saying the same exact thing. Its a joke

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      this **** is beginning to piss me off, people act like Paul is in some sort of spot now where he is the ONE and *****z don't wanna fight, the media is further making this **** look like nobody wants to fight him. Paul is a good, solid champion but in no way is he being ducked, Tony and Cintron had beef to settle already, Tony just fought Williams and now he's aiming at a bigger puncher, Cintron and Tony ain't Floyd yo they'll take a lesser paying fight if it means something and for Cintron to once again fight his predecessor and this time be the defending champion thats huge for him.

      Williams will get his fight and it will happen soon but when Tony already fought Williams and got at him so good then you can't really say he's ducking him, he chose not to fight him because he ain't the only title holder out there and not just because his name is Paul Williams does Tony or Cintron have to give him a fight when in reality he isn't a big draw, people like him and all but on that same night he fought Tony if you can remember Arturo Gatti fought and Cintron as well, it wasn't just him and Tony who sold that arena out as they make it seem so NO he isn't such a big draw, they can offer so much money because of his team believeing in him, his team believes he can win so they'll back him 100% and put up whatever just to get a meaningful fight but that don't mean his stock as a fighter is some big ****, dude got some fights to go before he can claim that..

      the ****ing nerve of Goosen with this line "Miguel, not having that really one defining fight against a De La Hoya, or a Mayweather, but certainly raising his profile out there with victories, and a fan base." YO bushy top, Shane Mosley beat Oscar twice and Cotto just beat him, what the **** are you talking about meaningful fight? the only thing meaningful about fighting De La Hoya is money, same with Floyd as of late which is good but it corrupts the heart of the real champions who actually give a **** about their legacies, what is he talking about? Cotto been fighting solid opposition with world class experience since his 10th pro fight and has just fought harder and harder opposition his last win being his best and he wants to put Paul Williams in that same bracket? a guy who literally only fought 3 or 4 guys with names and only 1 who was worth a **** at that point.. dude is delusional.

      Paul is good and I respect the **** out of HIM but I know the game and when you trying to build up a fighter sometimes you stretch the truth to the 10th degree to get some people to notice you and thats fine but to make it seem like he's being ducked when in truth he hasn't even fought the best is absurd, he got 2 fights in front of him and all his team can talk about is the fights he DOESN'T have yo this **** is incredibly ******.. Paul do yasself a favor and get past Quntana (who is a Cotto victim)first, then whoever is lined up next, then Cintron/Margarito whom by then should be Cotto victims if all goes to my liking, keep fighting Cotto victims for the moment until you can see Cotto himself and once that happens all this talk and momentum can ****ing stop and we'll see whats what..

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        Originally posted by DLT
        Goosen is right again. I cant believe some of the hypocrites on here dont see that. It should definatly be Cotto vs Williams to get to Floyd. Everyone was calling Margarito the most feared man on the planet and Williams beat him. Williams is much closer to Cotto then Cotto is to Floyd. Floyd is a 5 division champ with 6 titles and is regarded as the P4P best. On top of that he is by far the biggest name in the sport right now besides Oscar.

        People get so upset when Floyd talks about how something is not a big enough name or a big enough money fight but then they make an excuse for Cotto-Williams by saying the same exact thing. Its a joke
        If Cotto has to beat Quintana, Judah, Urkal, Mosely, Gomez, Margarito, Williams just to face the great Floyd Mayweather then it's not even worth it. You realize that's essentially cleaning out the division. A division Floyd isn't doing **** in, and a division that is easily the deepest in boxing.

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          Originally posted by DLT
          Goosen is right again. I cant believe some of the hypocrites on here dont see that. It should definatly be Cotto vs Williams to get to Floyd. Everyone was calling Margarito the most feared man on the planet and Williams beat him. Williams is much closer to Cotto then Cotto is to Floyd. Floyd is a 5 division champ with 6 titles and is regarded as the P4P best. On top of that he is by far the biggest name in the sport right now besides Oscar.

          People get so upset when Floyd talks about how something is not a big enough name or a big enough money fight but then they make an excuse for Cotto-Williams by saying the same exact thing. Its a joke
          SEE!! thats what I'm saying, for people like Oscar and Floyd you can say 6 titles in 5 classes or 10 time champion in 6 classes but against who? Oscar didn't really beat Sturm, all them other champions wasn't all there, maybe the ones early on had some **** and even still Oscar stole a few back then and Floyd in those 6 world titles 3 of them were bashable, Baldomir got lucky against Judah and since then Floyd hasn't fought a legit Welterweight, Oscar was/is FAR out of his prime and is using his bank account to lure people to even give a **** about fighting him and Gatti? well come on now..

          but you don't see that do you? all you see is the numbers but when you look at the stats you frown.. truth be told IMO Cotto right now is better than Floyd, not as in hand skills but in opposition because I'm sorry beating Shane Mosley the way he did even at this day and age is better than beating Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah or whoever the **** you want to name..

          all Floyd has is a better gimmick, marketability and credentials ON PAPER but when you think about opposition Floyd hasn't beaten as many undefeated fighters as Cotto has, Floyd may have the better hands but Cotto's win against Mosley solidified him as a elite champion just like Floyd's win against Gatti, who is half the fighter Shane is BTW, solidified him as pound for pound the best.

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            but there not doing that with Cotto, right? I swear you guys act like Cotto has beat Margarito, Cintron, Clottey, and Willliams all back to back. Dude's resume isnt noway near as great as people make it out to be. Also, lets be real about it. How many of those cats had any kind of chance of beating Cotto? He was far too big for anyone he fought at 140. Even the guys who gave him hell just eventually couldnt hold up. Anyone can beat up on smaller guys. Its also been basically the same at WW. He's been just too damn big for his oppoents. The only one fight I give him a ton of credit for is Mosley and Im still not sold on that fight like everyone else is.

            Again, I wont give this cat the same hype as you guys until he beats a full blown big WW like Williams, Margarito, Clottey, or even Cintron who I dont think is even that good. I wouldnt even mind if he fought Collazo. He just hasnt done it yet at all. Those little guys were not going to beat Cotto. They just werent. Fight someone your own size. Havent you guys heard of that before? "Why dont you just pick on someone your own size". Beat a big WW and then I will give you credit. Even Shane who went up to 154 looked much smaller then Cotto in the ring and the HBO guys pointed it out immediatly. None of those other guys I named would look smaller then Cotto. Then I would give him credit. It is way different punching someone who is as big as you and can take it. It is much different getting hit by someone as big as you are. For people to keep overlooking that its a joke. Thats why he wants Floyd because he see's him as this little cat. ****, I wouldnt even had mind if he fought a prime Baldy

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              Originally posted by -Antonio-
              If Cotto has to beat Quintana, Judah, Urkal, Mosely, Gomez, Margarito, Williams just to face the great Floyd Mayweather then it's not even worth it. You realize that's essentially cleaning out the division. A division Floyd isn't doing **** in, and a division that is easily the deepest in boxing.
              You dont get it man. Floyd has fought in 5 divisions. If Floyd fought in WW the he would clean it out but he's fought in 5 and is now 31. Also, please dont make it sound like Im telling Cotto to beat 12 HOF's. Dont throw in Gomez, Urkal, Zab, and Quintana like those wins mean alot. He could beat every single one of those guys on the same night. I also dont really care about him beating Margarito because he lost to Williams. I mean that would be a good win and all but I wouldnt care about him fighting that guy if he fought Williams instead. Again, I dont even care about him fighting Williams but my point is to stop making it sound like Floyd has to fight him or else he's a fraud when you dont do the same to Cotto

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                Originally posted by crillz
                SEE!! thats what I'm saying, for people like Oscar and Floyd you can say 6 titles in 5 classes or 10 time champion in 6 classes but against who? Oscar didn't really beat Sturm, all them other champions wasn't all there, maybe the ones early on had some **** and even still Oscar stole a few back then and Floyd in those 6 world titles 3 of them were bashable, Baldomir got lucky against Judah and since then Floyd hasn't fought a legit Welterweight, Oscar was/is FAR out of his prime and is using his bank account to lure people to even give a **** about fighting him and Gatti? well come on now..

                but you don't see that do you? all you see is the numbers but when you look at the stats you frown.. truth be told IMO Cotto right now is better than Floyd, not as in hand skills but in opposition because I'm sorry beating Shane Mosley the way he did even at this day and age is better than beating Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah or whoever the **** you want to name..

                all Floyd has is a better gimmick, marketability and credentials ON PAPER but when you think about opposition Floyd hasn't beaten as many undefeated fighters as Cotto has, Floyd may have the better hands but Cotto's win against Mosley solidified him as a elite champion just like Floyd's win against Gatti, who is half the fighter Shane is BTW, solidified him as pound for pound the best.
                You are a funny guy. Floyds 6 titles in 5 classes means nothing? Only a idiot will say that. Who has Floyd beat? He beat the top guy in every division he fought at. He definatly did at 130 & 135. He was trying to fight Hatton at 140 but Hatton said NO. Then Floyd just knocked him out so to me he beat the man at that weight also. It dont matter if you say that Zab or Baldy was the man at WW because Floyd beat them both. At 154 Oscar wasnt the #1 guy but everyone had him rated as the best guy at that weight hands down.

                Oscar is a past his prime bum but he had just decapitated Mayorga who people sweat? You also have to remember that Floyd isnt a big WW who moved up to fight Oscar. Floyd is a super small cat who beat him which meas alot more then you give him credit for. I love it how you say that Oscar was a past his prime cat but you make it sound like Mosley was 24 years old? That win doesnt carry half the weight. Also like I said, Floyd beat an Oscar who was much bigger then him while Cotto made Shane look like a little boy size wise but that doesnt matter, does it?

                Then you must dont know anything about boxing if you think that Mosley win is better then all those Floyd wins you named. You think an old ass Mosley who Cotto is much bigger then is better then beating a undefeated murdered in Chico? You must havent been watching boxing long because Chico was a killer, undefeated, knocking out every top guy, and was super huge compared to Floyd but he got dominated.

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                  Originally posted by DLT
                  but there not doing that with Cotto, right? I swear you guys act like Cotto has beat Margarito, Cintron, Clottey, and Willliams all back to back. Dude's resume isnt noway near as great as people make it out to be. Also, lets be real about it. How many of those cats had any kind of chance of beating Cotto? He was far too big for anyone he fought at 140. Even the guys who gave him hell just eventually couldnt hold up. Anyone can beat up on smaller guys. Its also been basically the same at WW. He's been just too damn big for his oppoents. The only one fight I give him a ton of credit for is Mosley and Im still not sold on that fight like everyone else is.

                  Again, I wont give this cat the same hype as you guys until he beats a full blown big WW like Williams, Margarito, Clottey, or even Cintron who I dont think is even that good. I wouldnt even mind if he fought Collazo. He just hasnt done it yet at all. Those little guys were not going to beat Cotto. They just werent. Fight someone your own size. Havent you guys heard of that before? "Why dont you just pick on someone your own size". Beat a big WW and then I will give you credit. Even Shane who went up to 154 looked much smaller then Cotto in the ring and the HBO guys pointed it out immediatly. None of those other guys I named would look smaller then Cotto. Then I would give him credit. It is way different punching someone who is as big as you and can take it. It is much different getting hit by someone as big as you are. For people to keep overlooking that its a joke. Thats why he wants Floyd because he see's him as this little cat. ****, I wouldnt even had mind if he fought a prime Baldy
                  What is Paul Williams then?

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                    What's the latest and greatest? You've got a big show on Saturday night, Paul Williams against Carlos Quintana. Tell us all about it. "Well it's nice to get him back in the ring. Quintana stepped up, and Paul is looking forward to getting back in the ring Saturday. As I said, before, during, and after, July 14th victory over Antonio Margarito, I believe he is the best welterweight in the world today."

                    That's correct. If Paul Williams wins on Saturday night, where does he go from here? Is the next fight a unification fight?

                    DG: It's hard to get a unification, As Bob Arum spelled out before to you, and to me, he always remembered the champions of boxing always looking to fight anyone who earned that right to fight for the championship. Speaking from a positiive standpoint, it hasn't been easy for Paul getting the other champions to fight him. I'd much rather have a fighter, like Paul, who are reluctant to get into the ring with him, rather than someone that they are standing in line to get to. Keep in mind that we had to go to court to get Antonio Margarito in the ring with Paul, nothing will come easy for obvious reasons, he's a tough fighter to fight. Once you get past his height, his wingspan, his constant throwing of punches, his constant pressure, and his will to win, and especially that he loves to fight, throw that all in a left-handed stance and you could understand why people have reservations about getting in with Paul.

                    In your opinion do Paul Williams and Miguel Cotto need to fight each other, in order to provide Floyd Mayweather Jr. with a clear challenger to his welterweight supremacy?

                    DG: I've got to tell you, you are the first person I've spoken to that's understood that. Yes. People say, "Paul, who?" The bottom line is, both of them (Cotto), in their own right, have done exceedingly well in their careers. Miguel, not having that really one defining fight against a De La Hoya, or a Mayweather, but certainly raising his profile out there with victories, and a fan base. Paul, who beat Antonio Margarito in front of a sell-out crowd at Home Depot Center and building his fan base. That crowd had a lot to do with Margarito, but as much to do with Paul Williams, because Margarito has never sold out an arena of that size, nor been paid in seven figures like that before, no matter who he ever fought before Paul. He held the title for close to seven years. Paul, in his own right, has generated a good, solid fan base. People can't say Paul who, and be correct, because he gave Antonio Margarito his biggest payday to date, close to $2 Million dollars. He's giving Carlos Quintana his biggest payday.

                    Kermit Cintron did the opposite. We had $1,000,000 on the table to fight Cintron, but Cintron decided to take less than half the amount to fight on the undercard of Cotto. Margarito did the same to fight Cintron. As far as I'm concerned, Cotto's got his dance card filled until July. We're going to keep Paul busy, and by the end of the the year, by the last quarter of '08, I believe if Cotto is still undefeated, he and Paul have to fight to prove who is the top young welterweight champion.

                    It will be a perfect match, the winner of that fight will have earned their right to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr., provided that Floyd is victorious against Oscar De La Hoya in September. I've got to give you credit, you hit the nail on the head, you understand it. Tommy Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Marvin Haggler, they fought everyone, and everybody. They never, ever backed away from a challenge. Even when the money was somewhat different.

                    Keep in mind that a Cotto-Williams fight does gigantic business. I believe it's the biggest fight Cotto could have, other than a De La Hoya or a Mayweather. The fighters in those years wanted to prove, inside the ring, who was the best. That's what Paul wants to do. He doesn't need to call anyone out, just keep laying them down, and whatever it takes to get these fighters in the ring is what we'll do.
                    That's what i've been saying for almost a year. Signed.

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