MARQUEZ is a better fighter then BARRERA

[oldgringo]

Okay ur right about fight 2, i forgot about that one.

But there is no WAY Morales won that first fight. It was ALLL barrera. I cant believe people still think Morales won. It was a competitive spirited fight, but it was clearly Barrera winning.

On a side note, Barrera-Morales 3 was much better then their first fight IMO. Like ali-frazier, the third fight was the best but the first fight gets all the attention.

ANd by Overrated im not saying he's a bad fighter, he was a great fighter. Let me put it this way. I think Sugar Ray Robinson is very overrated by todays generation because he is percieved as absolutely INVICIBLE, when many have never seen most of his fights that were on tape. Do i still have SRR as the greatest of all time? aboslutely.

Morales's best wins were over a faded Zerigoza, MAB, Pacquiao, and... then who? Ayala? Chi? Kelly? Jones? These are all good wins but some people make him out to be the MEXICAN variant of God himself!

The first fight was "ALLLL" Barrera. Stop scoring fights....please.

Nobody says you're saying that he's a "bad" fighter. You make a claim that he's over rated and you back it up by saying:

ANd by Overrated im not saying he's a bad fighter, he was a great fighter. Let me put it this way. I think Sugar Ray Robinson is very overrated by todays generation because he is percieved as absolutely INVICIBLE, when many have never seen most of his fights that were on tape. Do i still have SRR as the greatest of all time? aboslutely.

Morales's best wins were over a faded Zerigoza, MAB, Pacquiao, and... then who? Ayala? Chi? Kelly? Jones? These are all good wins but some people make him out to be the MEXICAN variant of God himself!

I mean really? Who here, that you have encountered, has made Erik out to be the second coming of god?

-The guy beat 12 champions
-Was a legitimate 3 division world champ
-Was one of the 2-3 greatest 122 pound champions in the divisions history
-Beat three hall of fame fighters (Pacquiao and Barrera should make it some day)
-Always took on his respective divisions best in:

130 - Manny Pacquiao, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez

126 - In-Jin Chi, KEvin Kelley, Paulie Ayala, Guty Espadas, Marco Barrera

122 - Junior Jones, Wayne McCullough, Hector Acero-Sanchez, Daniel Zaragoza

He was one of the p4p best when he fought and is certainly one of the greatest Mexican born champions ever. Is he the best fighter of all-time? No. Top 20-30? No. Top 50? Probably not. He was special though...and I don't know about you but I don't see other people throwing his name around like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Konstantin]

Marquez counter punching is an awesome thing to watch. I would say he had more skills than both Morales and Barrera but he didn't have the same opportunities to put them on show.

[eazy_mas]

I think Marquez being better was established when he beat Barrera on 3/17/07

It not that he beaten him but more of Barrera losing the fight.

It was more of Barrera controlling the tempo of the fight most of the time. by paper Marquez looked he won but for anyone who seen the fight it was more of Barrera losing it. The cheapshot Barrera gave to Marquez made a big difference in the fight I though that round should have been a 9-9 but he blew it.

[Castor_Troy]

Im not talking about who had the better career, im saying who is the BETTER all around fighter.

And beating Pacquiao IS a joyous day, unfortunetly Marquez didnt get the decision he deserved. Pacquiao also beat Barrear and Morales twice so... its a pretty enourmous win

He didnt deserved it.

All Marquez's claim to victory was a matter of opinion. Pacquiao technically won that fight because of the error in scoring. the MAB-Juarez fight was corrected after the draw was announced. That shouldve happened but did not. im sure JMM was very happy with the draw.

[Castor_Troy]

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B)You are right, the fight SHOULD have gone to Pacquiao, but thats a joke right there.

Just dont read my last post

[eazy_mas]

He didnt deserved it.

All Marquez's claim to victory was a matter of opinion. Pacquiao technically won that fight because of the error in scoring. the MAB-Juarez fight was corrected after the draw was announced. That shouldve happened but did not. im sure JMM was very happy with the draw.

Well if he thought it was bad then he should have made a rematch anyway.


One of the problem with Marquez is that he is not patient. In the Chris John he wasnt jabbing but he was a slow telegraphic straight right to set up the left hook. which doesnt work with for Chris John he is not the philipino or Mexician contenders but awkward style champion.

For people who though he was robbed from what I see it he didnt get robbed was wasnt effective in pressuring Chris John with the jab

[BigmoneyMikes]

its ridiculous that people only remember the MAB at the end of his career. MAB was and is a better fighter than JMM. no one denies JMM ATG counter-punching skills but he was and is not as complete a fighter that MAB was at his absolute best. JMM's fights with John and Norwood should show what happened to JMM when he was forced to lead and be the aggressor.Once JMM is forced to come forward and stop countering his defense had been poor and has been open to shots. Mab on the other hand could do everything form countering to the controlled chaos in the brawls he was famous for in his earlier career, had the better chin and had a better defense when leading.

[eazy_mas]

her is the HL of the fight so I judged from this HL as well as there was more boxing experts who scored for Chris John

[miron_lang]

Juan Manuel Marquez is a better all around fighter then Marco Antonio Barrera IMO.

thoughts?

Ive read the entire thread this is my opinion : JMM is #3 behind Morales and Barrera.


200K pts on pacquiao againts JMM. Deal?

[nmuburner22]

I think a prime Barerra was the total package.....real good fighter.slightly bette than JMM.