MARQUEZ is a better fighter then BARRERA

[oldgringo]

Erik Morales would have slapped Juan Manuel Marquez around at any weight. Dude just wasn't on that level.

Very good fighter...but he's no Morales.

[Kball15]

Pacquiao beat Morales at the end of a long and grueling career. We know who the better fighter was from the first fight.

Marquez beat Barrera at the end of a long and grueling career. Marco eats him up if thats a few years earlier.

Marquez didn't beat Pacquiao technically. Actually, if not for a scoring error, I believe that Pacquiao would have been awarded the victor.

"The main point of contention centered around the first round scoring, which had Clements recording a 10-7 mark for Pacquiao, while the other two judges scored it 10-6, because of the three spectacular knockdowns. If Clements had given the challenger that one-point advantage then Mr. Pacquiao would have been victorious."

I mean yeah he fought a great fight, but he was lucky to come out with a draw.

A) Its not like Marquez hasnt been through an equally gruelling career, his wars just havent been televised and havent been paid much attention to. AND, he's just a better fighter then Barrera, i couldnt see the decision being any different even if it were a prime Barrera versus todays Marquez, and I am not just saying that.

B)You are right, the fight SHOULD have gone to Pacquiao, but thats a joke right there. Marquez won 8 rounds easily in that fight, and if it werent for the first round then Pacquiao is completely out of the fight. There were plenty of exchanges throughout the fight where Marquez completely outclass Pacquiao, neither Barrera nor Morales did anything close to that

[Kball15]

Erik Morales would have slapped Juan Manuel Marquez around at any weight. Dude just wasn't on that level.

Very good fighter...but he's no Morales.

IMO, and i mean no disrespect, but Morales may be the most ovverated fighter of the last 10 years.

Barrera is a MUCH better fighter, and if it were up to ringside writers, he would have won all three of their fights. He CLEARLY won their first fight...

[oldgringo]

A) Its not like Marquez hasnt been through an equally gruelling career, his wars just havent been televised and havent been paid much attention to. AND, he's just a better fighter then Barrera, i couldnt see the decision being any different even if it were a prime Barrera versus todays Marquez, and I am not just saying that.

B)You are right, the fight SHOULD have gone to Pacquiao, but thats a joke right there. Marquez won 8 rounds easily in that fight, and if it werent for the first round then Pacquiao is completely out of the fight. There were plenty of exchanges throughout the fight where Marquez completely outclass Pacquiao, neither Barrera nor Morales did anything close to that

A) = Rubbish. You're repeating things you have heard on television and/or another forum. There are maybe a small handful of fighters who have had the types of repeated wars that Morales has had in the last 20-30 years. Marquez ain't in that group. Then you factor in the level of competition. Marquez' level of competition comes nowhere near Erik's, nor does he have the number of knock down, drag out battles that Erik has had. As for Marquez beating Barrera at any point, well, what can I say? You believe what you believe. Barrera had trouble with high energy guys who forced him out of his comfort zone, not with measured boxer/punchers like Marquez. He'd eat that **** up.

B) Pacquiao only improved from the time he fought Marquez to the time he fought Erik. Against Erik, he was much less reliant on shooting the same jab, jab, left down the middle. Erik's performance against Pacquiao was damn near legendary. Dude could have retired long before that fight with a hall of fame career but he went in and slugged it out with Manny.

Marco would have always lost to Pacquiao at featherweight for reason I disclosed earlier.

There were plenty of exchanges throughout the fight where Marquez completely outclass Pacquiao, neither Barrera nor Morales did anything close to that.

What a joke. Go back and watch Morales/Pacquiao I and get your knowledge up. That ^ was just a ridiculous statement. Erik outclassed Pacquiao the whole way and beat up a better, less one-dimensional version of Pacquiao.

[oldgringo]

IMO, and i mean no disrespect, but Morales may be the most ovverated fighter of the last 10 years.

Barrera is a MUCH better fighter, and if it were up to ringside writers, he would have won all three of their fights. He CLEARLY won their first fight...

No offense taken.

Morales did everything Barrera did, only more aggressively. As it stands, Morales is one of the 2-3 greatest fighters to ever compete at a given weight class. I don't believe anybody can make that claim for Barrera.

and if it were up to ringside writers, he would have won all three of their fights.

Actually most "ring side observers" had Morales winning the second fight if my memory serves me correctly.

He CLEARLY won their first fight...

Erik won 7 rounds of that fight. Let me guess...you gave Marco the 5th...right? The phantom knockdown at the end of the fight really manipulated people I guess.

How is Erik over rated though? This **** is gonna be fun.

[freedom213]

Juan Manuel Marquez is a better all around fighter then Marco Antonio Barrera IMO.

thoughts?

to be honest both guys are the same level to me but JMM still can climb higher. Him beating pacman would be akin to Barrera schooling a prime Hamed, maybe notching him one rung higher. There shouldn't be that much separation still.

[Kball15]

A) = Rubbish. You're repeating things you have heard on television and/or another forum. There are maybe a small handful of fighters who have had the types of repeated wars that Morales has had in the last 20-30 years. Marquez ain't in that group. Then you factor in the level of competition. Marquez' level of competition comes nowhere near Erik's, nor does he have the number of knock down, drag out battles that Erik has had. As for Marquez beating Barrera at any point, well, what can I say? You believe what you believe. Barrera had trouble with high energy guys who forced him out of his comfort zone, not with measured boxer/punchers like Marquez. He'd eat that **** up.

Repeating things i have heard on television? I happen to love watching JMM work, and ive seen MANY of his fights not shown here in states. He's been in PLENTLY of wars. Despite his style, nearly every fight he is IN is a war. Im not saying he's been in the type of titantic classic fights Morales and barrera have been in, but JMM has had a VERY gruelling blue-collar career.


B) Pacquiao only improved from the time he fought Marquez to the time he fought Erik. Against Erik, he was much less reliant on shooting the same jab, jab, left down the middle. Erik's performance against Pacquiao was damn near legendary. Dude could have retired long before that fight with a hall of fame career but he went in and slugged it out with Manny.

Yea yea yea, he "improved." He developed a right hand is what he did, and that was it. He's the same fighter, but now he throws a right hand. It would have made no difference. If anything, its just another punch for Marquez to counter...

And ur underlined statement is a joke... and a funny one at that. good one

Marco would have always lost to Pacquiao at featherweight for reason I disclosed earlier.

Marco DID lose to Pacquiao and you coulda made that fight at heavyweight and it wouldnt have made a difference.


What a joke. Go back and watch Morales/Pacquiao I and get your knowledge up. That ^ was just a ridiculous statement. Erik outclassed Pacquiao the whole way and beat up a better, less one-dimensional version of Pacquiao.

LOL!!! No he didnt. He cut Pacquiao and hurt him a few times... BIG difference between that, and outclassing. If you wanna know the difference. Watch Marquez's best rounds against Pacquiao. THATS outclassing. Morales was just a harder puncher. Marquez was on another level then Pac

Im still not completely sure u know who Marquez is...

BOLD is what i said^^^

[Kball15]

No offense taken.

Morales did everything Barrera did, only more aggressively. As it stands, Morales is one of the 2-3 greatest fighters to ever compete at a given weight class. I don't believe anybody can make that claim for Barrera.


Actually most "ring side observers" had Morales winning the second fight if my memory serves me correctly.



Erik won 7 rounds of that fight. Let me guess...you gave Marco the 5th...right? The phantom knockdown at the end of the fight really manipulated people I guess.

How is Erik over rated though? This **** is gonna be fun.

Okay ur right about fight 2, i forgot about that one.

But there is no WAY Morales won that first fight. It was ALLL barrera. I cant believe people still think Morales won. It was a competitive spirited fight, but it was clearly Barrera winning.

On a side note, Barrera-Morales 3 was much better then their first fight IMO. Like ali-frazier, the third fight was the best but the first fight gets all the attention.

ANd by Overrated im not saying he's a bad fighter, he was a great fighter. Let me put it this way. I think Sugar Ray Robinson is very overrated by todays generation because he is percieved as absolutely INVICIBLE, when many have never seen most of his fights that were on tape. Do i still have SRR as the greatest of all time? aboslutely.

Morales's best wins were over a faded Zerigoza, MAB, Pacquiao, and... then who? Ayala? Chi? Kelly? Jones? These are all good wins but some people make him out to be the MEXICAN variant of God himself!

[NAPO]

barrera has te better resume. skillz is all marquez

[oldgringo]

Oh lawd...

Repeating things i have heard on television? I happen to love watching JMM work, and ive seen MANY of his fights not shown here in states. He's been in PLENTLY of wars. Despite his style, nearly every fight he is IN is a war. Im not saying he's been in the type of titantic classic fights Morales and barrera have been in, but JMM has had a VERY gruelling blue-collar career.

Seriously...there is no comparison. Morales went to war more often with better fighters. Glad you see that though.

Yea yea yea, he "improved." He developed a right hand is what he did, and that was it. He's the same fighter, but now he throws a right hand. It would have made no difference. If anything, its just another punch for Marquez to counter.

So you say he improved...good. Yes, throwing the right hand and varying your attack to the head & body is a vast improvement. Manny squandered his opportunities to succeed down the stretch of the Marquez fight because he was limited in his variety of punches.

And ur underlined statement is a joke... and a funny one at that. good one

Well the fight was brutal. It was fight of the year caliber if not for Chico/Castillo I. Morales was just coming off a demoralizing loss to Barrera and Pacquiao was one of the hottest fighters in boxing. I have never seen so many crazy words traded between fans on this board. Erik was supposed to be this faded former champ, but he went in and totally worked over Pacquiao. Morales switching southpaw in the 12th and final round just to prove to Pacquiao that he was the bigger man was the type of **** that legends are made of. Maybe a bold statement, but ask some of these Mexican fellas if they think Erik is a legendary Mexican fighter...see what they say.

LOL!!! No he didnt. He cut Pacquiao and hurt him a few times... BIG difference between that, and outclassing. If you wanna know the difference. Watch Marquez's best rounds against Pacquiao. THATS outclassing. Morales was just a harder puncher. Marquez was on another level then Pac

Erik could have coasted at points in that fight but he didn't. It wasn't in his nature. The final round was testament to this. Last time I checked, outclassing someone didn't involve getting knocked on your ass three times. Last time I checked, it didn't involve having life and death struggles to climb back into a fight. You claim he was on another level, yet the folk down here dealing with reality had him losing a close fight.

Im still not completely sure u know who Marquez is...

A wise ass too huh? Guy I have been watching this sport since I was a tyke. I have seen a significant amount of Marquez and more than enough to know that he is not nearly the fighter that Erik Morales or Marco Barrera were at their respective bests.