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  • pbftxrs316
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    #21
    Originally posted by Mr. Suarez
    But he wont fight unless he gets ***ing millions and millions of dollars and i dont like that. I said Floyd SINCE he moved up to 140. Zab Judah vs Floyd was a ridiuclos fight right after Judah lost to Baldomir. That fight shouldnt have even happened at that time after Judah's showing against Baldomir. Floyd fights guys like Carlos Baldomir, Old De La Hoya, and Hatton who looked awful at 147 in his first outing there. He picks his fights very carefully. Mayweather-Hatton winner shoiuld have fought Cotto-Mosley winner. Its that simple. Cotto is willing and Mayweather isnt. I find it ****** Floyd wont do that, he would rather retire undefeated then take that risk and give the fans a great fight.

    for those saying Cotto wont make as much money as Mosley, I KNOW. Im saying its ****** how he would have fought Mosley but wont fight Cotto becase all he cares aboiut is money and he said he fights for love of the sport.
    before i even respond to the word i bolded in your post, i will explain this to you first. most all boxers want big money fights, this is no secret. i'm not bashing you for your opinion because it is respectable, but all of the greats inlcuding sugar ray leonard, roy jones jr, oscar de la hoya, roy jones jr, hopkins, mosley, and wright, just to name a few all wanted the big money fights. so, to pinpoint out floyd without mentioning this is a little unfair. floyd wants the big fights that make him big money, and shane would have surely done this, and the thing that gets me is that many posters on this forum gave shane the best chance to beat floyd, and discredited cotto until cotto beat shane in a close fight imo, so now floyd has to fight cotto, who has the best shot at beating him to many people on here(i can't wait to read more about williams soon though, the man in waiting to give floyd his toughest fight, i guess i'll wait another couple of days for this one), anyway, the fight with shane was just being craved by majority posters on here just a few months ago, now it's cotto, because cotto had a better night than shane did.

    now to the bolded parts, you talk about floyd fighting judah who looked awful against baldomir. okay, that's a fair point, but let's be honest here. do you truly believe that judah prepared for carlos fully? i don't, maybe i'm wrong, but i don't feel he did, and he was still actually beating carlos imo until he was caught and rocked in the 7th, due to his super judah chin.lol. anyway, he was in much better shape for floyd, and many people on this foum gave judah a huge cgance at beating floyd because of his speed and power over floyd, but forgot about floyd's ring savvyness and overall methodical smart thinking in the ring, and judah put up a decent showing early, but was systematically broken down.

    now, as far as floyd fighting baldomir, you have to remember, just like people on this fourm feel, a guy who looks like he could give floyd some trouble because of his physical strengths over him, becomes the guy for floyd now. so, had floyd not fought carlos, he would have been ducikng him to people. i mean, cotto is no different than baldomir when it comes to this. he is the guy now, just like shane was the guy, and willimas will be the guy next i'm sure, and then margo became the guy to some mainly because bob arum brainwashed the people after he bashed floyd, but most of the fans shook off that brainwash and came back to reality, now margo gets really no credit for ****, and it's justified. anyway, baldomir, had just beaten a guy who was light years faster than he was and a much better boxer, and beaten him and nearly knocked him down and possibly out, and he beat gatti by knockout, so at the time, the momentum for him to fight floyd was high, and people know this. many people gave baldomir, including emmanuel steward although he tried to polish it by saying had floyd not prepared for the fight, ala judah, he would have favored carlos because of why? his physical strengths and he's been at that weight for years. i knew baldomir standed no chance, posters gave carlos a huge chance at beating floyd, who dominated the guy.

    now, he fought oscar for a big check and legacy, but he prior to fighting oscar in may, had been calling oscar out nearly his whole career and was willing to go to 147 back in 2005 to make the fight happen with shane and oscar, but they opted not to make the fight happen, because remember, they would have had the power to dictate he ring size, pay, type of gloves, etc. they were the bigger names who drew larger crowds, and i'm sure floyd would have accepted this just to get in there and fight them to get his name bigger by defeating them both, but shane opted not to fight him, neither did oscar until floyd fought carlos in 2006, and in oscar's words, looked lackluster sort to speak, so that's when he wanted to face the p4p king. shane opted in 2006 to get his tooth fixed and take a vacation, which is why floyd fought the current hottest thing at the time at ww, carlos.

    now, the thing that gets me about hatton, and you making it very easy for me to respond to what you wrote about him looking awful his first outing at 147, is that you felt that the winner of hatton-mayweather should have fought the winner of mosley-cotto. hello, what if hatton beat floyd? that takes away from hatton looking lackluster against collazo doesn't it, so hatton was given a huge chance by hopkins, calzaghe, shane, oscar, steward, merchant, and many experts, including the ones on this forum(bull****) to beat floyd because of floyd doing dancing with the stars, maybe not training as hard as he's used to doing, him underestimating hatton who was focused and reay to go, who could pressure very well, (who had a chance to fight floyd at 140 in 2005, but was scared ****less imo after he watched how masterfully brilliant floyd destroyed gatti from every angle in the book) hatton was quick with his footwork, hatton hit harder, hatton was going to knock floyd out, floyd would run, hatton was stronger, was a warrior, 24/7(floyd goofing off, and claiming his body was wearing down, and of course his hands), etc. floyd beats hatton, and the excuses start. it damn near makes me laugh everytime i think about this, the same people who made the excuse that hatton never really had a chance against floyd and floyd shoud fight people in his own weight class, also claimed that there's no doubt in their minds now that floyd is the number 1 p4p fighter in the sport after the hatton fight, so hatton was a bigger threat than many give him credit for.

    now, getting on to cotto, i want to see this fight just like you, because i know floyd would tear cotto up, and i have been making this claim since 2005, when cotto was at 140, and he was also at the gatti fight, and bruselles fight, but opted to stay quiet, until recently his ***** ass promoter bob started calling floyd out. i feel that cotto, just like oscar and shane, believes that floyd is fighting at a weightclass too high for him to showcase his power fully and speed fully like he did at 140 and lower, so this is why he thinks he's ready for him, because he feels that floyd has went away from his killer style and is fighting safe and potshotting to decsions, but he has to realize that floyd's tenacity in the ring is measured by his mastery thinking in the ring which includes timing, accuracy, patience, and movement, which is why he's been successful at this weight class, and cotto hasn't shown me that he's ready for floyd. i am not swayed by his win over judah and shane to make me think otherwise. i have been around boxing my whole life, i was a fighter, i know boxing like the back of my hand, i know great movement, timing, accuracy, speed, power, great defense, fighting off of the ropes well, great inside fighting, great outside fighting, great counterpunching ability, great bodywork, i posses all of these traits, which is why i am so bold on my predictions about floyd mayweather jr, but he imo possess all of these traits and the mindset to put them into action effectively. cotto has impressed with his victories over quitana, judah, and mosley with his speed at the higher weightclass, him moving up to fight these guys who've been at that weightclass for years, his power is still there to a certain degree, but imo, at 140, was where he is a killer at, and that was his best chance at beating floyd, even though, imo he would have been dusted badly there also, much worst than 147, because floyd was a killer with brilliance at 140.

    anyway, cotto has fought guys who floyd fought first like jukko, sosa, judah, corley, and although he knocked them out and floyd only knocked out jukko and knocked corley down like 8 times but not out and went the distance with "no chin" judah although i felt the knockout was coming in the 10th and could have happened in the 2nd when he countered over judah's jab with stiff jab of his own and buckled zab. cotto hasn't shown me that he has what it takes with the exception of a puncher's chance to beat floyd. i feel cotto's only chance to beat floyd is knocking him out, and believe me, he will not knock floyd out, i do however feel, that if floyd gets cotto in trouble, he could stop him, especially if he jabs to his body and and lands the right hand upstairs and trust me, cotto holds his hands up to pretect his face well, but that only leaves his body open and floyd goes to the body very well, way better than cotto, cotto just hits harder, but i see floyd breaking cotto down and cotto has shown me that he can tire out, and floyd paces himself in each round to keep his stamina good, so i don't see cotto slowing floyd down ever in the fight, which is what he would need to do to even have shot at knocking him down let alone out. in other words, floyd defeats cotto.

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    • Del Coqui
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      #22
      Originally posted by pbftxrs316
      anyway, cotto has fought guys who floyd fought first like jukko, sosa, judah, corley, and although he knocked them out and floyd only knocked out jukko and knocked corley down like 8 times but not out and went the distance with "no chin" judah although i felt the knockout was coming in the 10th and could have happened in the 2nd when he countered over judah's jab with stiff jab of his own and buckled zab. cotto hasn't shown me that he has what it takes with the exception of a puncher's chance to beat floyd. i feel cotto's only chance to beat floyd is knocking him out, and believe me, he will not knock floyd out, i do however feel, that if floyd gets cotto in trouble, he could stop him, especially if he jabs to his body and and lands the right hand upstairs and trust me, cotto holds his hands up to pretect his face well, but that only leaves his body open and floyd goes to the body very well, way better than cotto, cotto just hits harder, but i see floyd breaking cotto down and cotto has shown me that he can tire out, and floyd paces himself in each round to keep his stamina good, so i don't see cotto slowing floyd down ever in the fight, which is what he would need to do to even have shot at knocking him down let alone out. in other words, floyd defeats cotto.
      He outboxed Shane thru out the fight and you feel he only has a punchers chance against Floyd? I'm not picking Cotto to beat PBF, but I would give him a better chance than a "punchers" chance.

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      • pbftxrs316
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        #23
        Originally posted by gerardofpr
        He outboxed Shane thru out the fight and you feel he only has a punchers chance against Floyd? I'm not picking Cotto to beat PBF, but I would give him a better chance than a "punchers" chance.
        yes, because he did outbox shane, but let's get serious here, shane mosley is a great fighter, but he has never been polsihed like floyd mayweather. shane gets sloppy and has a tendency to go wild, and he is not a better boxer than floyd, no fighter will outbox floyd at 147, cotto would not outbox floyd, he would have a puncher's chance to beat floyd. that's it, and that chance is slim to none, because of floyd's ability to block punches from any angle. cotto has problems with guys who are fast from angles, and floyd is one of those guys. cotto outboxed shane because shane's defense is lackluster, shane is not/has never been a better defensive fighter than floyd, and he has never been as accurate as floyd has been throughout his whole career. this is why i always said that floyd would have dusted shane at 135 abd now. shane is fast but can get very sloppy and can be stiff as hell, but he hits hard, and when he catches people, he makes it count, but he is not as polished as floyd, and never has been. he has been more powerful and maybe just as fast, but not as sharp and accurate although he had i believe 35 knockouts in 37 fights or something of that nature, he has never been a sharpshooter like floyd has been. so again, i tell you this, cotto only has a puncher's chance at beating floyd, and he does have a good jab, but floyd would counter right over it, and i am not fooled by the oscar fight and how oscar used his jab well against floyd, because cotto is not that good with his timing against fighters with a defense like a mayweather, because he's never faced a guy like floyd, and he really never will, so how does he prepare for him, by getting his power honed up and having poise to catch him, square and slow him down, but this takes patience and cotto has good patience against guys he has a mental edge over, and no chance in hell, he has a mental edge over floyd, so again, he only has a puncher's chance.

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        • Gareth Ivanovic
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          #24
          I agree that Floyd would probably be fighting Shane if Shane won, but don't discount that Floyd will not fight Cotto sometime. I mean Cotto is a big enough draw to get the big bucks for Money May. As for complaining about Floyd only fighting for the big money, why not. I mean why settle for anything less. I could see if he had lost some fights and wasn't the P4P best anymore and he was still demanding big money, then that would be reason to critisise him, but for now he's earned the right for the big paydays.

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            #25
            Originally posted by pbftxrs316
            yes, because he did outbox shane, but let's get serious here, shane mosley is a great fighter, but he has never been polsihed like floyd mayweather. shane gets sloppy and has a tendency to go wild, and he is not a better boxer than floyd, no fighter will outbox floyd at 147, cotto would not outbox floyd, he would have a puncher's chance to beat floyd. that's it, and that chance is slim to none, because of floyd's ability to block punches from any angle. cotto has problems with guys who are fast from angles, and floyd is one of those guys. cotto outboxed shane because shane's defense is lackluster, shane is not/has never been a better defensive fighter than floyd, and he has never been as accurate as floyd has been throughout his whole career. this is why i always said that floyd would have dusted shane at 135 abd now. shane is fast but can get very sloppy and can be stiff as hell, but he hits hard, and when he catches people, he makes it count, but he is not as polished as floyd, and never has been. he has been more powerful and maybe just as fast, but not as sharp and accurate although he had i believe 35 knockouts in 37 fights or something of that nature, he has never been a sharpshooter like floyd has been. so again, i tell you this, cotto only has a puncher's chance at beating floyd, and he does have a good jab, but floyd would counter right over it, and i am not fooled by the oscar fight and how oscar used his jab well against floyd, because cotto is not that good with his timing against fighters with a defense like a mayweather, because he's never faced a guy like floyd, and he really never will, so how does he prepare for him, by getting his power honed up and having poise to catch him, square and slow him down, but this takes patience and cotto has good patience against guys he has a mental edge over, and no chance in hell, he has a mental edge over floyd, so again, he only has a puncher's chance.
            I'm not sure you're suggesting Floyd would outbox or stop Cotto by allowing himself to get on the ropes and countering him as he did vs DLH and Hatton? That's not the fight I would expect from Floyd vs Cotto, I think he would avoid the ropes at all costs and try to pot shot Cotto in the middle of the ring and clinch as much as he can. Only problem is that Floyd isn't the only one who has a great jab on this one, Cotto is not as fast as Floyd but he could give Floyd fits if they fought.

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            • DLT
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              #26
              You guys are missing the point. Floyd wouldve definatly fought Shane but theres 2 big reasons why. The 1st one is money. Shane was by far a bigger money guy then Cotto. Cotto hadnt had any solid PPV's while Shane has had a ton of them.

              The 2nd and biggest reason is size. Stop making it sound like its because Cotto is so scary talented. Shane is easily bigger then Floyd but there size is comparable. Cotto made Shane look like a little boy in the ring. Manny Steward is the biggest Floyd hater there is and "the 1st thing he said in the Cotto-Mosley fight is that you can clearly see how much naturally bigger Cotto is then Mosley. He looks like he's definatly a weight class and maybe 2 classes bigger then Mosley".

              Now if Shane is clearly bigger and thicker then Floyd and Cotto made him look like a little boy then Floyd will definatly hesitate to take that fight. Even though Shane went to 154 he has always looked smaller then all the guys he fought. Thats why Floyd seen him as a good matchup because even though he was bigger, he's still much closer to Floyd then all the other big WW's are. I mean, just look at what you guys are saying. If Shane had won then Floyd wouldve fought him. That means that if Shane had won then he wouldve looked like a beast that killed a bad mofo. So if Floyd wouldnt be scared of that then why be worried about Cotto? If he won then he obviously had more skill then Cotto. The difference is that Cotto is huge. Its not about his talent but his crazy size, just like the other guys.

              Again, you guys make it sound like Floyd wont fight Cotto but has called out Clottey & Cintron. If he did that then maybe you could argue that Floyd is just scared of Cotto but he hasnt. There too big. Look at Margarito. Is he special? Hell no but Floyd wouldnt fight him either. That throws that Cotto stuff right out the window. Its not there skill set. Margarito dont scare anyone with his skills but he's just so much bigger then Floyd and thats what the problem is. If Floyd loses then he wants it to be because a guy is better then him, not simply just because he was too big. Floyd dont mind fighting bigger guys. He's always done it but at some point you get to a cut off spot and 147 is it. Unless they were the Champ like Baldy or bring money like Oscar then he doesnt need it

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              • Del Coqui
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                #27
                Here's a trivia question, how many accountants does PBF have? Must be over 100 on this site alone. Are we boxing fans eager to watch the best match ups out there or fighter's accountants?

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                  #28
                  Cotto Kills Mayweather In The Ring,,,

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                  • nmuburner22
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by gerardofpr
                    Here's a trivia question, how many accountants does PBF have? Must be over 100 on this site alone. Are we boxing fans eager to watch the best match ups out there or fighter's accountants?
                    If you were Floyd would you fight Clottey for 10 million or Oscar again for 30 million???

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                    • Del Coqui
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by nmuburner22
                      If you were Floyd would you fight Clottey for 10 million or Oscar again for 30 million???
                      I'm not Floyd and neither are you, he damn sure aint giving you none of that money. As a boxing fan, I rather see him fight Clottey of course, it would be a better match up.

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