Does Floyd break under pressure??

[Run]

Have alway said a prime, fit vernon forrest or Ike Quartey will definitely trouble Mayweather, Mayweather hates jabbes and he doesnt respond well to them.

Yeah that's the only way to beat him.



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[IronFistKilla]

I think the best way to beat floyd would be with a strong consistent jab, HEAD MOVEMENT, angles, cutting off the ring, and a being a great counter puncher. Right now I don't see anybody like that. I do think a prime vernon would be hell for floyd. Cotto doesn't have head movement and that will be to his detriment when he fights floyd. If you gonna bring the pressure you need to be like Joe frazier or the young mike tyson. Cotto holds his hands high and he leaves his body open. That will be to his detriment but floyd is an excellent body puncher.

[Nwahs !!]

Man, you want to talk about countering opportunities... Mayweather would have a career high of countering opportunities against a guy who throws a trillion punches like Williams.

The key term is long range. Vs a Paul Williams, even if the countering opportunities were there, Floyd would not be in range to take advantage of them.

Also, Paul Williams is a south paw. Southpaws have historically given Floyd trouble.

[Fox McCloud]

The key term is long range. Vs a Paul Williams, even if the countering opportunities were there, Floyd would not be in range to take advantage of them.

Also, Paul Williams is a south paw. Southpaws have historically given Floyd trouble.

Southpaws haven't given him near as much trouble as everyone seems to think...

What are the two fights that are deemed close for Mayweather in his career? Castillo I and De La Hoya, right? Both orthodox fighters.

Check HBO's arm lengths for Mayweather and Williams.

26 inches.

That 82 inches of reach doesn't matter, because everything past 26 inches is a scoring target for Floyd, and Floyd's arms are also 26 inches long.

[Nwahs !!]

Southpaws haven't given him near as much trouble as everyone seems to think...

What are the two fights that are deemed close for Mayweather in his career? Castillo I and De La Hoya, right? Both orthodox fighters.

Check HBO's arm lengths for Mayweather and Williams.

26 inches.

That 82 inches of reach doesn't matter, because everything past 26 inches is a scoring target for Floyd, and Floyd's arms are also 26 inches long.

It doesn't matter who you are, if you fight in the Philly Shell, south paws will give you trouble.

Floyd has shown the same vulnerabilities. He was hurt by Corley, got hit much more than usual, Had significant problems with Zab Judah, including getting legitimately knocked down.

Fortunately for Floyd, he is smart, and he adjusted his style against Zab and managed to keep it close using a hands up defense until Zab cracked.

If you want, I can explain to you in depth why the philly shell falls apart against southpaws.

I dont believe that Floyds arms are even close to as long as Paul Williams. The guy is 6'1 and still drags his knuckles on the ground. I believe the published numbers are misinformation from Williams camp.

[Fox McCloud]

It doesn't matter who you are, if you fight in the Philly Shell, south paws will give you trouble.

Floyd has shown the same vulnerabilities. He was hurt by Corley, got hit much more than usual, Had significant problems with Zab Judah, including getting legitimately knocked down.

Fortunately for Floyd, he is smart, and he adjusted his style against Zab and managed to keep it close using a hands up defense until Zab cracked.

If you want, I can explain to you in depth why the philly shell falls apart against southpaws.

I already heard the lecture on it shawn . Though I wouldn't mind hearing the main points again.

Against Corley he fought a dumbass all-out brawl style, and got nailed with a Margarito punch. Pathetic really for a boxer as good as Mayweather.

He had the same problems everyone had against Judah. He said himself, he let Judah gas out after 4, like he always does.

He didn't have much problem with Sharmba Mitchell though. I guess we will just have to wait and see if/when he fights The Punisher.

[Smokin__]

Depends on the pressure.

[Nwahs !!]

I already heard the lecture on it shawn . Though I wouldn't mind hearing the main points again.

Against Corley he fought a dumbass all-out brawl style, and got nailed with a Margarito punch. Pathetic really for a boxer as good as Mayweather.

He had the same problems everyone had against Judah. He said himself, he let Judah gas out after 4, like he always does.

He didn't have much problem with Sharmba Mitchell though. I guess we will just have to wait and see if/when he fights The Punisher.

Mayweather's brawling was his way of adapting to the southpaw style. As Ray Mancini said, when you get hit you have two options, cover up, or throw back. Mayweather was getting hit, his covering up wasn't working so he chose to throw back. It made for an action packed fight, but most likely not the kind of fight Floyd would have liked to fight.

The philly shell is dependent on the ability to use the right hand to block left hooks and catch jabs while rolling right hands with the shoulder and blocking body shots with with the left arm placed across the stomach.

Against a south paw, it is not possible to catch the right jab, or roll the left hand. This is why the philly shell is awful against southpaws.

It is possible to roll right hooks, but usually any attempt to roll the right jab causes you to expose yourself to strait left hand down the middle.

A southpaw will open you up like a can opener.

[robjr]

I think since Floyd is undefeated the answer for now is obvious..

[Fox McCloud]

Mayweather's brawling was his way of adapting to the southpaw style.

The philly shell is dependent on the ability to use the right hand to block left hooks and catch jabs while rolling right hands with the shoulder and blocking body shots with with the left arm placed across the stomach.

Against a south paw, it is not possible to catch the jab, or roll the left hand. This is why the philly shell is awful against southpaws.

It is possible to roll right hooks, but usually any attempt to roll the right jab causes you to expose yourself to strait left hand down the middle.

A southpaw will open you up like a can opener.

Maybe he should hire Winky Wright to teach him his defense for fighting southpaws... ******, and never going to happen, but that really would be a good acquisition for Floyd.

That all makes a lot of sense. He would have to rely on Whitaker-like head movement and elusivity for counter opportunities.