Calzaghe is overrated

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True but too say he should fight someone aka. Hopkins then dismiss the fight entirely even after seeing the winky fight means you have a double standard. Stylically Hopkins is a ***** to fight now anyway, he makes EVERYONE look bad.

The topic of discusion isn't his comp anyway I was just bringing that up from a former arguement, it's that Calzaghe is "overated" the word is overplayed so much nowdays. The brits (some not all) overate him and there are a hell of alot that downplay his achievements. He's not THE GOAT or in the top 20 P4P all time. I call it what it is even as a fan. He's a solid fighter with a resume that doesn't reflect his ability, he didn't go after the big fights in his prime whether that's Warren fault I don't know when he could have gotten a much better resume but he has solid skills, fast hands, underated Power in his prime he can't punch at all now though.

I think I agree with you. I rate him among the three best p4p today but it's based far more on longevity than anyone he's beaten. Still, he's a Hall of Famer.

However, what I bolded from your quote is nothing to gloss over. And it is the crux of every debate here regarding him. Calzaghe just didn't dare to be great. Jeff Lacy, as one-dimensional and overrated as he was by some, dared to be great; attempting to prove he was the next great thing by fighting in the other guy's backyard. Kessler did this as well.

In his prime - when he was Lacy or Kessler's age - Calzaghe never sought to do that. And the guys he fought during that time just weren't awe inspiring, or anything close to it. Whether it's his fault or Warren's, Calzaghe didn't take that blind leap of faith. And that is what the threadstarter was getting at - hindsight or not.

It's funny how times change. There was once a great amateur who big things were expected of when he turned pro. Except he went the Andre Ward route; critics began saying he was overprotected. The prospect finally worked his way to a title shot - picking up a vacant crown beating some guy no one had ever heard of.

At that point in his career, the questions surrounding him were kinda similar to the ones that followed Hamed before he came to the US. Then he gave up his title, moved up a division and fought one of the best fighters in the world - when the obvious choice was to stay in his weight class and build himself up. It was a pretty risky move.

The fighter he beat for his first title was Bernard Hopkins. And the guy who he moved up to beat was James Toney. Funny how, in spite of all that, Jones was never able to shake that label of not taking risks. What then, can we say about Calzaghe?

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Well lots of people were saying that so i decided to stick it in to make my arguement seem better

but his chin isn't bad considering he took bombs from Miranda.

Miranda - and his power - are among the most overrated things in boxing since Panchito Bojado. He knocked out every cab driver in the Dominican Republic and a faded Howard Eastman. And he talked it up as if he really was Tyson. He's not.

And what would you say if Jermain Taylor had any idea how to finish off a hurt fighter? Pavlik would be someone he KO'ed in two rounds. Credit to Kelly for getting up and doing his thing but let's not get carried away now. Pavlik has been hurt before - not seriously - but stunned enough to raise questions. Let's see what he does against a REAL power puncher first, not an overrated one.

[Ryn0]

Miranda - and his power - are among the most overrated things in boxing since Panchito Bojado. He knocked out every cab driver in the Dominican Republic and a faded Howard Eastman. And he talked it up as if he really was Tyson. He's not.

And what would you say if Jermain Taylor had any idea how to finish off a hurt fighter? Pavlik would be someone he KO'ed in two rounds. Credit to Kelly for getting up and doing his thing but let's not get carried away now. Pavlik has been hurt before - not seriously - but stunned enough to raise questions. Let's see what he does against a REAL power puncher first, not an overrated one.

I'll reply properly tommrow im tired and the donaire fight is on.

[squealpiggy]

I think I agree with you. I rate him among the three best p4p today but it's based far more on longevity than anyone he's beaten. Still, he's a Hall of Famer.

However, what I bolded from your quote is nothing to gloss over. And it is the crux of every debate here regarding him. Calzaghe just didn't dare to be great. Jeff Lacy, as one-dimensional and overrated as he was by some, dared to be great; attempting to prove he was the next great thing by fighting in the other guy's backyard. Kessler did this as well.

In his prime - when he was Lacy or Kessler's age - Calzaghe never sought to do that. And the guys he fought during that time just weren't awe inspiring, or anything close to it. Whether it's his fault or Warren's, Calzaghe didn't take that blind leap of faith. And that is what the threadstarter was getting at - hindsight or not.

It's funny how times change. There was once a great amateur who big things were expected of when he turned pro. Except he went the Andre Ward route; critics began saying he was overprotected. The prospect finally worked his way to a title shot - picking up a vacant crown beating some guy no one had ever heard of.

At that point in his career, the questions surrounding him were kinda similar to the ones that followed Hamed before he came to the US. Then he gave up his title, moved up a division and fought one of the best fighters in the world - when the obvious choice was to stay in his weight class and build himself up. It was a pretty risky move.

The fighter he beat for his first title was Bernard Hopkins. And the guy who he moved up to beat was James Toney. Funny how, in spite of all that, Jones was never able to shake that label of not taking risks. What then, can we say about Calzaghe?

He didn't get knocked ****ing cold by Antonio Tarver?

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He didn't get knocked ****ing cold by Antonio Tarver?

Yes he did.

[squealpiggy]

Yes he did.

No you asked "What can we say about Calzaghe?". I answered "He didn't get knocked cold by Antonio Tarver".

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No you asked "What can we say about Calzaghe?". I answered "He didn't get knocked cold by Antonio Tarver".

That's true. He didn't beat James Toney either. Or fight Antonio Tarver.

But this sounds like a different debate than the one we're having here. Perhaps you'd like to create a new thread and discuss it there? I kinda wanna stay on topic.

[-Swizzy-]

Kelly Pavlik is iron chinned? Since when?

yes he is iron chinned. just watch the miranda fight.

[letsgobrady]

calzaghe made hopkins tired,no excusses

[daggum]

calzaghe made hopkins tired,no excusses

how so he didn't land any punches?