Calzaghe is overrated

[RichCCFC]

They don't know **** about Calzaghe.It really annoys me this. Toney was **** when he fought Jones but just because of that fight he is seen as "invincible" now don't try and defend Roy by discrediting his win here because that's exactly what most of you have done with Calzaghe's wins over Lacy and Eubank.

[big paulie]

debatable wether Roy would have beaten McCallum in his prime the McCallum Roy beat was WAY past it

just because u beat better opostition dont mean u would dominate another fighter who's record is possibly lesss stellar than your own

BTW we are talking about a prime Calzaghe not the Rookie that defeated Eubank ,let me just remind u that Montell Griffin was outboxing RJJ untill Roy hurt him

Roy was beatable why do people think he was untouchable

POSSIBLY less stellar or without a doubt less stellar record!? yeah griffin pissed roy off for a bit but roy took care of that in the rematch.

[big paulie]

check my list of opponents again, theres more than toney there

[Dynamite Kid]

They don't know **** about Calzaghe.It really annoys me this. Toney was **** when he fought Jones but just because of that fight he is seen as "invincible" now don't try and defend Roy by discrediting his win here because that's exactly what most of you have done with Calzaghe's wins over Lacy and Eubank.

LFMAO exactly Toney was 'nt weight drained ,B Hop was'nt an inexperienced Rookie when Roy beat him ,McCallum was'nt picking up his old age pension when Roy fought him ,Virgil Hill was an Elite fighter

Eubank was shot though when Calzaghe got to him though more so than the 39 /40 year old McCallum the fighter Paulie decides to bring up as a credable oponent of Roy 's LMFAO ,Lacy was a bum who nobody picked to win the fight & who was overated in any case

next Paulie will tell us someone slipped those Drugs inot Roy's water bottle ,LOL

[MickyHatton]

Seriously, this is a terrible thread.

I would happily entertain the argument that Joe Calzaghe resume could have been better, that is a fact, but to say he is either overrated or not one of the ten best fighters on this planet is either ignorant, arrogant or naive.

Any fighter who remains unbeaten and defends his title over 20 times is far from slightly above average.

Any fighter who beats a number of current or former world champions in Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Mitchell and Brewer then takes on the supposed true undefeated Super Middleweight Champion in Jeff Lacy and completely outclasses him and then takes on the other undefeated long time champion in his weight class in Kessler and comfortably beats him to finally call the division his own is not only a top ten fighter but easily a top 5 fighter.

The guy has been a world champion for over ten years and a pro for 15 years and no one has been able to beat him, is that a slightly above average fighter?

You cant be serious, calzaghe's resume could have been better he could have moved up years ago and fought much better fighters, and he is overrated in the fact that some people rate him as the top fighter in the world or number two.

The reality is p4p there are better boxers than him out there, and the reality is had he of got in the ring with modern day legends in their prime like roy jones and james toney, he wouldnt be unbeaten.

Ive always said he is a world class fighter, but in 10 years he has fought about 3/4 legit threats, Kessler aint nothing special, the 168 pound division was nothing special when calzaghe dominated it, lacy was never anything super special, credit to joe, he dominated the guys in his weight class so he is the best at 168, but he somehow managed to not fight just about every prime legendary fighter of his era, as a result his 10 year career is defined by a win over mikkel kessler, hardly the resume of a legend is it?

That's exactly what I said?

My point was and is that he has to be a top ten fighter, in fact IMO a top 5 fighter of today, I never said he was a legend?

[Technical_Skill]

That's exactly what I said?

My point was and is that he has to be a top ten fighter, in fact IMO a top 5 fighter of today, I never said he was a legend?

Apologies, i could have sworn you said couldnt, the rest of that post wasnt just adressed to you, but to others as well, the people who put calzaghe like number 1/2 on their P4P lists, which i think is shocking.

[big paulie]

LFMAO exactly Toney was 'nt weight drained ,B Hop was'nt an inexperienced Rookie when Roy beat him ,McCallum was'nt picking up his old age pension when Roy fought him ,Virgil Hill was an Elite fighter

Eubank was shot though when Calzaghe got to him though more so than the 39 /40 year old McCallum the fighter Paulie decides to bring up as a credable oponent of Roy 's LMFAO ,Lacy was a bum who nobody picked to win the fight & who was overated in any case

next Paulie will tell us someone slipped those Drugs inot Roy's water bottle ,LOL

bernard hopkins was an inexperienced rookie when he fought jones in 1993? already a pro for five years and with one loss(debut) youv'e really shown yourself up this time. BERNEARD HOPKINS WAS AN INEXPERIENCED ROOKIE IN 1993!!!!!!wtf? the virgil hill that fought jones was still better than 99% of the clowns calzaghe has faced. face it, rrj beat toney and hopkins when they were young and dangerous, as opposed to: mario veit (twice) kabery salem, mger mkrtchian (those 3 were in succession) tocker pudwill, rick thornberry, miguel angel gimenez, branco sobot, evans ashira (a light-middle) juan carlos gimenez ferreyra, david starie. all fought by calzaghe while he was champion!!

[moofo]

bernard hopkins was an inexperienced rookie when he fought jones in 1993? already a pro for five years and with one loss(debut) youv'e really shown yourself up this time. BERNEARD HOPKINS WAS AN INEXPERIENCED ROOKIE IN 1993!!!!!!wtf? the virgil hill that fought jones was still better than 99% of the clowns calzaghe has faced. face it, rrj beat toney and hopkins when they were young and dangerous, as opposed to: mario veit (twice) kabery salem, mger mkrtchian (those 3 were in succession) tocker pudwill, rick thornberry, miguel angel gimenez, branco sobot, evans ashira (a light-middle) juan carlos gimenez ferreyra, david starie. all fought by calzaghe while he was champion!!

Lets not forget Joe fighting with Broken hands and his extremely Bitter divorce.
Who did Jones fight who were in Tip top condition and the height of their powers?

[robjr]

technical i couldnt agree more, calzaghe is a world class fighter but managed, with a little help from frank warren to swerve the fighters who would have secured a true legacy for him. robjr you got any pics of cal on his arse against kabery salem??

[-Swizzy-]

kayswizzy, i dont see how anyone can take you seriously... calzaghe is the ****ing man at super-middleweight. No one is coming close to him period, you either dont watch boxing or are just very ignorant.

its an opinion stop making assumptions. I could easily say that you don't know boxing and are blinded by his record. I watch boxing almost obsessivley and know it inside out. I could see talent regardless of record. If you are a boxing fan, you should know rule #1: WIN/LOSS RECORD DOESN'T DEFINE A BOXER. example: Ali has 5 losses, and Lamon Brewster has 4. does that mean that brewster is a better boxer? HELL NO. don't ever look at win/loss records when judging a fighter. Watch the fights and study the fighter carefully and thats all that should matter.