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Yes, this is what I pointed to as well, but it has also been noted, and this isn't just me, that even the Ruddock-Tyson was able to make Ruddock miss once he had the timing down, and Razor is faster than Lewis, plus, it's harder to see a lead uppercut the way Ruddock throws it than Lewis does from the back-hand/right. Tyson was incredible at the use of the bobb-weave and slipping...with timing. Even Tucker, how many uppercuts did he land after the first big one in the first when Tyson came charging in?
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I understand your point, however it's styles. Bruno even said it was harder to hit someone like Tyson because he is short, quick, elusive, and powerful. He could throw off 3-5 hit combinations in the HW division, something that is rare. Holyfield was good at it, but by the time he met Lennox, he was past his prime.
The only person I can recall that was good that was as short as Tyson that Lewis fought was Tua, and that was when Tua was fat as a cow...and he is nowhere near Mike in physical ability.
Lewis does have the better resume.
And he is definitely one of the brightest minds boxing has had.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-31-2007, 07:35 PM.Comment
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The Fear factor is overrated with Tyson. First, you should ask yourself how a 5'11, 220 pound fighter scared the **** out of people bigger than him. Second, Mike didn't have to rely on it, nor did he talk smack in pre-fight build-ups when he was with Rooney...he had enough confidence he would win and it wasn't until he was with King, he became over-confident, but shallow, which caused insecurities, causing a drop in confidence.
But even after Rooney, Tyson talked smack to Ruddock, who wasn't scared at all, and even talked right back and Mike...he still lost. Ruddock also said he thinks he and Tyson finished each other off as fighters between the two fights.
I could see Leis winning, but not by TKO. I just cannot see how Tyson at his peak gets TKO'd...to good of a chin and to much head-movement.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-31-2007, 07:04 PM.Comment
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Which is why Tyson was taught to fight "small" when fighting "tall" fighters. Lewis tends to paw with the jab, not a good thing with a fighter like Tyson and also tend to drop his hands, even when he was with Manny. The heavier he got, the less active he was as well, but it did help wear down fighters like you said he would do to Tyson. I wonder what Rooney would tell him to do if Lennox started to lean on him. I remember hearing McCall actually used to lean on Tyson and grapple with him in order to build his {Mike's} strength, like Dempsey used to have Bill Tate do...that's what I heard anyway. It's sound reasonable, after all, Mike watched and liked Dempsey.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-31-2007, 07:17 PM.Comment
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Check out Ray Mercer vs. Lennox Clip
To be honest, I don't know. Hopefully a time-machine will be invented so we can pick them at their peak and let them fight it out to answer our questions.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 12-31-2007, 07:43 PM.Comment
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You don't take a champions title away in the 2nd round after one good punch. The referee should have allowed Lewis to continue and he could have stopped it quickly if Lennox got in trouble again. Do you honestly think for a minute that fight would have been stopped if it were Mike Tyson coming off the floor?
As for self serving Manny, he was McCall's trainer that night. That stoppage gave him a heavyweight champion. He switched over to Lewis right after that fight knowing what a fluke win it was.Comment
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It would have only taken one punch to put Lewis back down. It took one solid punch to put an aware Lewis down, imagine what another shot from McCall would do to a groggy Lewis. But, hey, I can agree, let them get KFTO...a Champion deserves that and let him deal with whatever injuries might happen. I would favor them let it go on like they used to way back in the day.
Manny probably switched over to Lewis because Lewis was a "steady" fighter, where McCall had some serious issues and as we saw in the second fight, break down from his party habits/******* habbit.
For Tyson, it's hard to say. First, it's hard to imagine Tyson being put down by a single shot, in the second round, getting up groggy. Stunned early, sure, but not flat on his back by a single shot in the second round.
It depends on the ref. Some refs would have stopped it as well, since they would be a part of history seeing Tyson getting stopped. Others would have allowed it to go on to see Mike get KTFO.
Maybe you can use the Holyfield (I) fight where Tyson was stopped on his feet. Should he have been allowed to continue...did he deserve to be KFTO as well?
It was no fluke. Manny taught McCall what he needed to do to knock Lewis out. They did this on Ringside, and I think they showed Manny telling McCall right before the KO, what punches to throw. Lewis left his guard open to much and was able to be countered.
Even the Rahman fight/punch was no fluke. The only thing with this fight that helped Rahman win, and this is from Lewis's camp, Lennox didn't train and prepare properly...wasn't as motivated. So yes, this can have an effect on a fighter.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 01-01-2008, 11:07 AM.Comment
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You mean the same Manny who's now picking his fighter, Andy Lee, to beat Kelly Pavlik?
I think Lewis made a mistake getting up too fast, I think his pride was hurt more than anything. If he had gotten up about 2 or 3 seconds later, I don't think his legs would have been wobbly and the ref wouldn't have stopped it.Comment
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lewis would beat tyson prime for prime tyson is actualy the most overrated boxer i can think of
some people actualy consider him top 10 all time heavyweight with not one great victory on his resumeComment
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