Could Lennox Of Beat Tyson At His Peak?

[Benny Leonard]

lewis would beat tyson prime for prime tyson is actualy the most overrated boxer i can think of

some people actualy consider him top 10 all time heavyweight with not one great victory on his resume

People put Marciano in the top 10, despite not fighting one fighter over 200 pounds that was decent and fought Grandfathers around his own weight or lighter and he struggled at times.

Tyson's victory over Spinks was still greater than any of Marciano's wins, so how do we judge, unless we agree to take Marciano out as well.


There is a list of overrated fighters/resume.

And I made a thread about not understanding how Lewis isn't in some people's top 10.

[Scott9945]

It would have only taken one punch to put Lewis back down. It took one solid punch to put an aware Lewis down, imagine what another shot from McCall would do to a groggy Lewis. But, hey, I can agree, let them get KFTO...a Champion deserves that and let him deal with whatever injuries might happen. I would favor them let it go on like they used to way back in the day.

Manny probably switched over to Lewis because Lewis was a "steady" fighter, where McCall had some serious issues and as we saw in the second fight, break down from his party habits/******* habbit.

For Tyson, it's hard to say. First, it's hard to imagine Tyson being put down by a single shot, in the second round, getting up groggy. Stunned early, sure, but not flat on his back by a single shot in the second round.

It depends on the ref. Some refs would have stopped it as well, since they would be a part of history seeing Tyson getting stopped. Others would have allowed it to go on to see Mike get KTFO.
Maybe you can use the Holyfield (I) fight where Tyson was stopped on his feet. Should he have been allowed to continue...did he deserve to be KFTO as well?


It was no fluke. Manny taught McCall what he needed to do to knock Lewis out. They did this on Ringside, and I think they showed Manny telling McCall right before the KO, what punches to throw. Lewis left his guard open to much and was able to be countered.

Even the Rahman fight/punch was no fluke. The only thing with this fight that helped Rahman win, and this is from Lewis's camp, Lennox didn't train and prepare properly...wasn't as motivated. So yes, this can have an effect on a fighter.

They wouldn't have stopped the fight if it was Tyson because of his rep and popularity. To say Lewis would have been KO'd with the next punch is total speculation. The risk of getting hurt is something all boxers accept. When a champion trains for months, he doesn't want the plug to be pulled on him after just one good shot in the 2nd round. Lewis deserved a chance to defend himself and his title. When Holy stopped Tyson he had given him a frightful beating the round before, so I don't see the comparison. Tyson had every chance to get back into the fight.

I don't consider either of Lewis' loss to be a fluke, just that the first one was a premature stoppage. And Manny Steward is one of the most self serving people in boxing, and that's saying something. All that being said, your response was very reasonable and I appreciate that.

[Benny Leonard]

They wouldn't have stopped the fight if it was Tyson because of his rep and popularity. To say Lewis would have been KO'd with the next punch is total speculation. The risk of getting hurt is something all boxers accept. When a champion trains for months, he doesn't want the plug to be pulled on him after just one good shot in the 2nd round. Lewis deserved a chance to defend himself and his title. When Holy stopped Tyson he had given him a frightful beating the round before, so I don't see the comparison. Tyson had every chance to get back into the fight.

I don't consider either of Lewis' loss to be a fluke, just that the first one was a premature stoppage. And Manny Steward is one of the most self serving people in boxing, and that's saying something. All that being said, your response was very reasonable and I appreciate that.

One good shot that put him down hard and fast. When he got up he was unsteady. The ref could have let it go, but I would give it at least a 95% chance that Lewis gets KFTO within the next 20 seconds, and if you are the ref, I'm not sure you are risking your job or the fighter's long-term health. It's a hard decision when you are ref, which is why, if we can agree, it's better to just make a rule that says the fighter has to be KFTO and nobody can complain what happens to the fighter. They should also bring back smaller rings and smaller gloves. I don't know, maybe someone like Smoger would have given him another shot. He did get up.

The Tyson comparison was only because it's the only Tyson fight I can remember where Tyson was stopped in such a way, unless we bring up the Buster stoppage since Mike did make it up, but even that isn't a good example since Lewis was at least better off and wasn't in LaLa-land, but still showing signs of being stunned-groggy. But neither was from one punch, putting him down on the canvas and as early as the second round.
I forget which fight I was watching not to long ago when the fighter got up, and was in better condition than Lewis was in and the ref let it continue and he got KFTO with the next punch.

It would be better to use another fight/fighter when comparing the Lewis stoppage, but hey, I don't mind if a fight continues until the fighter is out cold, but I might be in the few.

For Emannuel, kind of agree.

[!! AI-Holmes!!]

Lewis would have won if they fought when they were on top of their game.

[Benny Leonard]

Lewis would have won if they fought when they were on top of their game.

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[!! AI-Holmes!!]

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[GearsOfWar]

tyson had no answer for lennox lewis's jab after the first round. Tyson easily won the first round because Lennox wasn't throwing the jab enough. Then Lennox won the rest of the fight with ease after the first round when Lennox listened to Emanuel stewards advice.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

Tyson couldn't stop Tony Tucker in his prime, I don't think he have much luck against Lennox; a far better fighter. Lewis would frustrate the much smaller Tyson, sticking the jab, not letting Tyson close in on him. Lewis by late stoppage or UD.