Top Boxers Can Beat Top Mma Fighters Without Grappling Training!

[TheGreatA]

By the way, I dont think all Boxers would win 80% of the time, I Just think Wlad has so many tools he would give any MMA fighter problems. His punches are so straight and quick, Look at bob Sapp vs Nogiera...Minotauro was acctually out striking Sapp on their feet, Wlad is 10X the boxer Nog is.

Bob Sapp isn't exactly a MMA fighter or a fighter at all just an entertainer but either way if you watch that match you will see that Bob Sapp throws Big Nog on his head almost instantly at the start of the match.

Because Nogueira is such an experienced grappler he manages to get out of the bad position he is put in after the throw, gets back to his feet and outboxes Bob Sapp who has no striking experience.
If Wlad was in Nogueira's position he would not know how to handle himself on the ground and would probably be stopped right there unless he trained of course.

Wladimir is such an awesome athlete he could be successful in just about any sport but he would have to train full-time and that's why we will not see a successful in his prime boxer in MMA (except if it's someone with a grappling background like Jeremy Williams or Kermit Cintron).

[mrpain81]

Bob Sapp isn't exactly a MMA fighter or a fighter at all just an entertainer but either way if you watch that match you will see that Bob Sapp throws Big Nog on his head almost instantly at the start of the match.

Because Nogueira is such an experienced grappler he manages to get out of the bad position he is put in after the throw, gets back to his feet and outboxes Bob Sapp who has no striking experience.
If Wlad was in Nogueira's position he would not know how to handle himself on the ground and would probably be stopped right there unless he trained of course. Wladimir is such an awesome athlete he could be successful in just about any sport but he would have to train full-time and that's why we will not see a successful in his prime boxer in MMA.

See the thing about Wlad, he always keeps the fight on the outside with that powerful Jab, when someone gets close he clocks them with the right. He dosen't risk anything almost Like Lennox Lewis, he's not going to let fedor get close to him. He would Use alot of lateral movement and go for shots. I Never said Wlad would win every time.

Fedor has decent hands, but his brother Aleks has the better boxing of the two. And yes it wont happen because there isnt more money to be made in MMA, the money is in boxing. If MMA fighters thought they had a chance to make it big in boxing they would. Boxers could make it big in MMA, but there isnt a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

[The Troll]

I think a good MMA fighter or just a master wrestler can easily beat any boxer. Wlad has the best most powerfull jab in the world but a master wrestler, it's just going to take him like 3 seconds to get low, take his legs out and then get him into a submission position. The match wouldnt last 30 seconds.

I guess a perfectly timed punch when the wrestler coming in, or if the wrestler gets wreckless is probably one way he could win and it's not the most remote possibility.

[The Troll]

a master wrestler like for instance the Hulkster.

He'd take him down real quick, go all out and break his leg, then Wlad would be finished, he being lying helplessly flopping around maybe and here comes Hogan, Leg drop, ends his life.

[mrpain81]

I think a good MMA fighter or just a master wrestler can easily beat any boxer. Wlad has the best most powerfull jab in the world but a master wrestler, it's just going to take him like 3 seconds to get low, take his legs out and then get him into a submission position. The match wouldnt last 30 seconds.

I guess a perfectly timed punch when the wrestler coming in, or if the wrestler gets wreckless is probably one way he could win and it's not the most remote possibility.

Thats the thing, Wlad is huge! 6,6 245. thats the only reason I think he would do so good. Smaller boxers would have alot tougher time. But anythings possible, nobody thought Serra would beat GSP, Nobody knew who Soko was till he ko'd little nog and arona.

The bottom line,pure boxers would always be at a disadvantage when fighting in MMA. Just like pure wrestlers,pure BJJ practitioners,pure kickboxers.

Plus there isnt any real incentive to do it.

[mrpain81]

a master wrestler like for instance the Hulkster.

He'd take him down real quick, go all out and break his leg, then Wlad would be finished, he being lying helplessly flopping around maybe and here comes Hogan, Leg drop, ends his life.

Thats true, but Wlad would have Ultimate warrior in his corner just incase, those type of shenanigans would go on.

[dino]

Shamrock wouldn't need to feel his power because he would just take Tua down. Shamrock fought a very good kickboxer with lots of KO power in Bas Rutten, took him down instantly and submitted him.

Now about Lewis vs Sylvia, I would agree Lewis could give Sylvia lots of trouble because Sylvia DOESN'T take his opponents down. He defends other fighters takedowns and outstrikes them standing up. But he could clinch Lewis against the cage and tie him up so he couldn't use his hands and hug him like John Ruiz who Lewis refused to fight. I don't like Sylvia at all myself.

But the difference between Lewis and Sylvia is that Sylvia can defend takedowns, Lewis cannot. That gives him the ability to strike with lesser strikers on his feet.

you must don't many MMA fighters, as I stated before I'm an intelligent indiviual who can ANAYLZE things to a tee!

Lets say Tua comes out aggressive like he does in boxing, throwing savages punches at Shamrock, it's not like Shamrock will counter punch him only thing he'll do is run off, or try to grab Tua's legs, let's say Shamrock succeeds in grabbing TUA'S leg, Tua throws a few punches with those heavy hands into Shamrock's body, their lying on the ground for a minute. the Ref (UFC RULES) TELLS THEM TO GET UP! they stand up again Shamrock will be alot more tired this time around and will catch a punch and go to sleep.

MMA fighters are always wild and powerful in the 1st round, as the fight moves along they get tired and stand up alot more, thats when boxers will put them to sleep (who have better stamina) Shamrock must not be too powerful anyway he couldn't toss ROYCE GRACIE around, are you suggesting he could David TUA?

the fact some of you assume that as soon as the bell ring the UFC fighters will grab the boxer and started slamming him from pillor to post is absurd!

think about this for a minute, Shamrock lost to royce gracie, royce gracie lost to matt hughes, matt hughes lost to BJ PENN, BJ PENN fought JENS PULVER who's main artform is boxing, JENS PULVER fights at 147 ****ing pounds in the UFC he'd never be a welterweight champion if he had continued his boxing career and he knew it so he switched to UFC, and you know why he was able to be PENN, who beat HUGHES who beat GRACIE who beat Shamrock? because PENN didn't know what to do with a guy who boxes and throws alot of punches, instead of trying to be a technician and do a choke hold, he was lost the little guy in the black shirt

now LENNOX LEWIS AND SLYVIA, prime Lennox Lewis was somewhat althetic for his size. Slyvia isn't he stands in 1 spot and jabs at guys 5 inches shorter then him. Lennox Lewis would overwhelm Sylvia with sheer punch volume just like little JENS PULVER did to BJ PENN who beat HUGHES who beat GRACIE who beat Shamrock!. Sylvia doesn't have the althetic proess to be able to move around and get away from LEWIS then fly at his legs like MAYBE a FEDOR could do.

[TheGreatA]

See the thing about Wlad, he always keeps the fight on the outside with that powerful Jab, when someone gets close he clocks them with the right. He dosen't risk anything almost Like Lennox Lewis, he's not going to let fedor get close to him. He would Use alot of lateral movement and go for shots. I Never said Wlad would win every time.

Fedor has decent hands, but his brother Aleks has the better boxing of the two. And yes it wont happen because there isnt more money to be made in MMA, the money is in boxing. If MMA fighters thought they had a chance to make it big in boxing they would. Boxers could make it big in MMA, but there isnt a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I'm quite sure many of the MMA fighters have enough athletic ability to compete in boxing had they started boxing instead of wrestling/sambo/BJJ at a young age. But it's not completely out of the question for a former MMA fighter to become successful in boxing even at a late age.

Remember Matt Skelton was a kickboxer who tried his hand at MMA and failed. He then became a professional boxer at the age of 35, became the british heavyweight champion and has now a scheduled world title match against Chagaev.

I agree a big, tall guy like Wlad does have a puncher's chance even in MMA but against a fighter like Fedor it's not much of a chance. Fedor has fought kickboxing champion Semmy Schilt and CroCop and took both down with relative ease and avoided their punches & kicks. Fedor has great reflexes and capitalizes on every mistake.

Fedor has a MMA match against a guy named Hong Man Choi who is very big (7'2'' 350 lbs) and punches very hard and has zero ground game so we will see this theory put to test.

Also mr. dino the reason little Pulver could outbox Penn (he lost the rematch though) in their first fight was because Pulver has, you know, wrestling ability, something David Tua and other boxers don't have. He could keep the fight on his feet because he could defend Penn's takedowns. But now that Penn has improved he had no problem taking down Pulver and submitting him.

[mrpain81]

I'm quite sure many of the MMA fighters have enough athletic ability to compete in boxing had they started boxing instead of wrestling/sambo/BJJ at a young age. But it's not completely out of the question for a former MMA fighter to become successful in boxing even at a late age.

Remember Matt Skelton was a kickboxer who tried his hand at MMA and failed. He then became a professional boxer at the age of 35, became the british heavyweight champion and has now a scheduled world title match against Chagaev.

Yup good example, alot of others have boxed.

Jens Pulver
Ray Sefo
KJ noons
Jerome Lebanner
Travis Fulton
Jerome Lebanner
Marcus Davis
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira(Amature,Bronze Medal,Pan am,games)

Alot of Boxers from thailand acctually started in Muay Thai.

But boxing is a more established sport then MMA, because of its amature programs,Olympics and so many competing worldwide. Its harder to get to the top in boxing then in MMA.

[TheGreatA]

But boxing is a more established sport then MMA, because of its amature programs,Olympics and so many competing worldwide. Its harder to get to the top in boxing then in MMA.

I agree the skill level OVERALL in boxing is better than MMA but there are some very skilled individuals in MMA.

MMA is still a young sport and all the money that could be in it isn't in it just yet.
Maybe someday we will see top boxers fight in MMA in hopes for a big payday.
But if someone actually thinks that a boxer can come to MMA without any grappling training whatsoever and beat all the champions, that's just ignorant.