DAVID HAYE vs WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO who wins?

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  • -Swizzy-
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    #31
    Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
    Dude.... Weight divisons exist for a reason... Hatton should stay at 140 for a reason.. manny Pacquiao is not Middle weight champ for a reason..

    To suggest that a guy at 140 would be the same fighter at 175.. is just plain dumb...
    is this how it is in this forum? dumb ppl put words into your mouth. I NEVER said a player is the same when he changes weight class. The biggest difference is height and reach. usually a player at 140 will be shorter than a person at 175. but if a person a 140 is 5'10" and they fight a person at 175 who is 5'10" weighing in at the same weight of 175 you really think the fighter will be worse? that is insane to think. I bet if I had made a poll of roy jones jr vs ruiz 5 years ago I would've been told that I was dumb. but guess what? ruiz was schooled by a someone who weighed in at 153(agains kevin daigle) at his lightest. and he went all the weight to heavyweight and beat a champion and became a wba HEAVYWEIGTH champ. plz, use logic.

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    • Welter_Skelter
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      #32
      Originally posted by kswizzy99
      is this how it is in this forum? dumb ppl put words into your mouth. I NEVER said a player is the same when he changes weight class. The biggest difference is height and reach. usually a player at 140 will be shorter than a person at 175. but if a person a 140 is 5'10" and they fight a person at 175 who is 5'10" weighing in at the same weight of 175 you really think the fighter will be worse? that is insane to think. I bet if I had made a poll of roy jones jr vs ruiz 5 years ago I would've been told that I was dumb. but guess what? ruiz was schooled by a someone who weighed in at 153(agains kevin daigle) at his lightest. and he went all the weight to heavyweight and beat a champion and became a wba HEAVYWEIGTH champ. plz, use logic.
      What do mean "is this how this is on this forum"??? did you come to have everyone agree with you.. or to debate and discuss boxing..??

      I am 5'6'' and 150lbs in great shape.. SO are you going to tell me a 5'6'' guy who weights 122lbs has a chance aganist me???
      I assure you anyone I outweight by 30 lbs is going to get ****ing slaughtered by me.. If his in shape weight is 122.. now if he gains 30 lbs of fat..it's going to be even worse..

      Me if i try to fight a guy who weights 180..i am going to give myself little chance..
      Last edited by Welter_Skelter; 12-25-2007, 05:54 PM.

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      • -Swizzy-
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        #33
        Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
        What do mean "is this how this is on this forum"??? did you come to have everyone agree with you.. or to debate and discuss boxing..??

        I am 5'6'' and 150lbs in great shape.. SO are you going to tell me a 5'6'' guy who weights 122lbs has a chance aganist me???
        I assure you anyone I outweight by 30 lbs is going to get ****ing slaughtered by me..
        ok, once again, I never said that a person would out weigh another anywhere. I said if a person who fights at 140 and would gain weight to fight at 175 against someone who's height is the same, would not lose skill. and when I say "is this how it is" it doesn't mean I don't want ppl to disagree with me, its that you make up crap that I NEVER said. and you did it again by suggesting that I want ppl to agree with me.

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        • Welter_Skelter
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          #34
          Originally posted by kswizzy99
          ok, once again, I never said that a person would out weigh another anywhere. I said if a person who fights at 140 and would gain weight to fight at 175 against someone who's height is the same, would not lose skill. and when I say "is this how it is" it doesn't mean I don't want ppl to disagree with me, its that you make up crap that I NEVER said. and you did it again by suggesting that I want ppl to agree with me.
          OK Look man.. you are obviously a little sensitive...

          If you want people to understand exactly what you are saying.. learn to articulate better.. It's not up to me to guess what you mean.. I see what you type.. I react... I am not putting words in your mouth..Its Called Paraphrasing.. (look it up) It's an important part of communicating..

          I can assure you if I put on 30lbs.. its going to change my skill set.. I will be slower, lose agility, Lose stamina and prolly gain some power.. which will change my whole game...

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          • -Swizzy-
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            #35
            Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
            OK Look man.. you are obviously a little sensitive...

            If you want people to understand exactly what you are saying.. learn to articulate better.. It's not up to me to guess what you mean.. I see what you type.. I react... I am not putting words in your mouth..Its Called Paraphrasing.. (look it up) It's an important part of communicating..

            I can assure you if I put on 30lbs.. its going to change my skill set.. I will be slower, lose agility, Lose stamina and prolly gain some power.. which will change my whole game...
            ok, maybe I'm not communicating well but thats cuz I had a little to drink.

            ok, if you gain 30lbs you will lose agility and stamina compared to yourself at minus 30lbs. but you will still have that agility and stamina relativley to other fighters at your weight level if you have that skill set. do you get what I am saying?

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            • Welter_Skelter
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              #36
              Originally posted by kswizzy99
              ok, maybe I'm not communicating well but thats cuz I had a little to drink.

              ok, if you gain 30lbs you will lose agility and stamina compared to yourself at minus 30lbs. but you will still have that agility and stamina relativley to other fighters at your weight level if you have that skill set. do you get what I am saying?
              I cant agree.. My ideal weight is for my height and build is 150lbs..
              I dont think if I go 10lbs in either direction it would Matter.. Now if the 180 lb is also in optimal shape.. for his body type.. He will be FIT at 180 and I wont.. giving him all the advantages.. I see what you are saying.. that my slowed down speed.. will still equal his optimal speed.. But it dont work that way... Other wise Why are wlads hands so fast for such a Big guy??? Why is
              Margarito slower than Joe Calzaghe??

              See what I mean??

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              • Chunk..
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                #37
                Right now, Haye would get KO'd. In 2-3 yrs time, i won't be saying the same thing.

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                • WLAD OWNS
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                  #38
                  I think the 16 ******s who voted for Haye should be banned for ******ity.

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                  • Lucky13
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by WLAD OWNS
                    I think the 16 ******s who voted for Haye should be banned for ******ity.
                    I was about to say.
                    16 people voted for Haye?!?!?!?
                    They can't be serious.

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                    • TopDawg
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                      #40
                      Klitschko by brutal KO. He's the best HW in the world today and Haye isn't even a HW.

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