DAVID HAYE vs WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO who wins?

[moofo]

Well Haye was stopped by a cruiserweight that didn't hit nearly as hard as Sanders or Brewster, so I think it's safe to say Wlad's chin is better or at least as good. Wlad wins hands down in the power department, and has a much better jab. Pretty competitive fight for about 5 or 6 rounds before Wlad stops him.

Haye gassed himself out due to bad training & stamina and was only 23 at the time.
He has grown in experience and stature since then.
He is a much bigger physical specimen now.
The weight issue was what had him on the canvas with Mormeck.

[-Swizzy-]

The part in Red is complete and utter nonsense.
Haye has not had 4 fights at Heavyweight.
He has had ONE fight at Heavyweight against Tomasz Bonin.
He stopped him in one round.
Fraudley Harrison was the only other guy to beat Bonin and that lasted 9 rounds and Fraudley got a dubious stoppage win.
Haye weighed 217 for that fight as well.. Fraudley was 256lbs against Bonin and never really hurt him.
Holyfield weighed 205lbs in his first fight with Rid**** Bowe and only 217 when he beat him in the rematch.

The odds are against Haye vs Wlad but he does have the power to stop Wlad.
Whether that actually happens is somethhing else.

4 heavyweight fights
Tomasz Bonin
Garry Dellanny
Verlary Semishkur
Tony Booth

all were KO wins.

oh and Haye is more a natural heavyweight than evander was. evander was an inche and a half if not 2 inches shorter than Haye. Haye has walked around between some of his fights at 230and my guess is that he will probably weigh between 230-240 when he settles in to the heavyweight division. Knowledge is power, get some.

[moofo]

4 heavyweight fights
Tomasz Bonin
Garry Dellanny
Verlary Semishkur
Tony Booth

all were KO wins.

oh and Haye is more a natural heavyweight than evander was. evander had a hard time gaining weight and he was an inche and a half if not 2 inches shorter than Haye. Haye has walked around between some of his fights at 230and my guess is that he will probably weigh between 230-240 when he settles in to the heavyweight division. Knowledge is power, get some.

Are you seriously going to class those fat ****s as real Heavies?
Have you ever seen Gary Delaney or Tony Booth??
The reason those fights were made without having to make weight is because they were nothing more than tubs of lard carrying at least 30lbs of fat.
They couldn't make the cruiser limit ....
Easy pickings for Haye's early days.
They were the only guys available at the time.
Even Haye will admit that you cannot class those guys as real Hw's.

[beez721]

The part in Red is complete and utter nonsense.
Haye has not had 4 fights at Heavyweight.
He has had ONE fight at Heavyweight against Tomasz Bonin.
He stopped him in one round.
Fraudley Harrison was the only other guy to beat Bonin and that lasted 9 rounds and Fraudley got a dubious stoppage win.
Haye weighed 217 for that fight as well.. Fraudley was 256lbs against Bonin and never really hurt him.
Holyfield weighed 205lbs in his first fight with Rid**** Bowe and only 217 when he beat him in the rematch.

The odds are against Haye vs Wlad but he does have the power to stop Wlad.
Whether that actually happens is somethhing else.

he may have the power to stop wlad. too many of you guys automatically think his power is going to be as or almost as effective against big heavyweights as it was with cruisers. it may or may not be. look at micheal moorer. he was 26-0 26 kayos before moving up to heavyweight but was taken the distance numerous times and had a relatively low knockout ratio at heavyweight

[beez721]

Are you seriously going to class those fat ****s as real Heavies?
Have you ever seen Gary Delaney or Tony Booth??
The reason those fights were made without having to make weight is because they were nothing more than tubs of lard carrying at least 30lbs of fat.
They couldn't make the cruiser limit ....
Easy pickings for Haye's early days.
They were the only guys available at the time.
Even Haye will admit that you cannot class those guys as real Hw's.

dont even try to talk sense into him.unlike you he's one of the many delusional haye fans

[moofo]

he may have the power to stop wlad. too many of you guys automatically think his power is going to be as or almost as effective against big heavyweights as it was with cruisers. it may or may not be. look at micheal moorer. he was 26-0 26 kayos before moving up to heavyweight but was taken the distance numerous times and had a relatively low knockout ratio at heavyweight

Haye is not Michael Moorer.
And where do I automatically think anything?
Haye does have the power to trouble any HW.
No matter what you think.
Another advantage for Haye will be his mobility and speed up at HW.
I'm not going to assume anything until he actually moves up but from what I've seen I think he has a chance of hanging with most of todays Heavyweights.
At least he is creating a bit of a buzz.
And that is good for the sport and the HW division.
Especially if he moves up and starts winning.

[Mickey Gomez]

Klistchko by decision, Wlad would fight even more conservatively against the Hayemaker.

[moofo]

RE: Classing Gary Delaney as a Heavyweight.....
11 months before Haye he fought Macca and weighed 188.
When he met Haye he had an extra 41lbs on him 229 Haye was only 206.
Knowledge really is power....get some.

[beez721]

Klistchko by decision, Wlad would fight even more conservatively against the Hayemaker.

no he absolutely wouldnt. he fought cautiously against sultan becuause sultan was an awckward southpaw that crouched very low and strictly counter punched. haye is the exact opposite in style so wlad would have no problems getting his punches off. this fight would not go the distance and wouldnt be a boring fight as the sultan fight was. people need to stop focusing on just 1 wlad fight

[moofo]

no he absolutely wouldnt. he fought cautiously against sultan becuause sultan was an awckward southpaw that crouched very low and strictly counter punched. haye is the exact opposite in style so wlad would have no problems getting his punches off. this fight would not go the distance and wouldnt be a boring fight as the sultan fight was. people need to stop focusing on just 1 wlad fight

Pretty much the same way as some people need to stop focusing on Haye's loss to Carl Thompson.