Hopkins' critics need to grow the **** up

[Knicksman20]

Taylor is ok, but Pavlik has to rank higher, and I don't rate Pavlik all that highly.

My top 15 from 130 up (so they are all lower if I add the midgets in) is:

Mayweather
Calzaghe
Pacquiao
Cotto
Kessler
Diaz
Hatton
Kessler
Pavlik
Klitschko
Taylor
Dawson
Wright
Hopkins
De La Hoya

Where are the Marquez brothers (at least JMM) or Israel Vasquez?

[ßringer]

Taylor is ok, but Pavlik has to rank higher, and I don't rate Pavlik all that highly.

My top 15 from 130 up (so they are all lower if I add the midgets in) is:

Mayweather
Calzaghe
Pacquiao
Cotto
Kessler
Diaz
Hatton
Kessler
Pavlik
Klitschko
Taylor
Dawson
Wright
Hopkins
De La Hoya

No offense but I think your list is ****. You have Wright above Hopkins, when not even 6 months ago Hopkins handed him his ass on a silver platter.

[El Dominicano]

Taylor is ok, but Pavlik has to rank higher, and I don't rate Pavlik all that highly.

My top 15 from 130 up (so they are all lower if I add the midgets in) is:

Mayweather
Calzaghe
Pacquiao
Cotto
Kessler
Diaz
Hatton
Kessler
Pavlik
Klitschko
Taylor
Dawson
Wright
Hopkins
De La Hoya

Very ugly list there. Calzaghe beat ... Who did he beat again?? I forgot.

[kayjay]

Where are the Marquez brothers (at least JMM) or Israel Vasquez?

Yeah I was trying to exclude the smaller fighters, because I don't feel qualified to rate them.

[TonyJ]

No offense but I think your list is ****. You have Wright above Hopkins, when not even 6 months ago Hopkins handed him his ass on a silver platter.

ahha it was a very close fight. Winky outlanded Hopkins, but Bernard was just 2 big. IN p4p-sense Winky is still better.

[kayjay]

Very ugly list there. Calzaghe beat is... Who did he beat again?? I forgot.

Beating Kessler is much more impressive than losing to Taylor or Pavlik. It's more impressive than beating Taylor or Pavlik.

Now if you're like some others and didn't know Kessler before this year, you can't comment because you haven't followed boxing globally.

[boxing_pundit85]

Seriously. Bernard has always been hated on for various reasons throughout the years, be it standing up for his rights as a fighter against the comission, the situation with Lou DiBella, beating Puerto Rico's favorite son senseless, what have you. But some of you guys are taking the **** way too seriously, and from what I gather, you're the same type of people who get pissed off when Mayweather openly talks of his greatness.

Fighters fight the fight, be it inside the ring or in the hype leading up to a good contest. And ever since Hopkins said he'd "never get beat by a white boy" towards Calzaghe, some of you are walking around with a tampon stuck up your ass.

It's as if you guys have all forgotten that's he's a 43 year old ex con from Philly, who might occasionally say some real **** from time to time. And this **** is coming from a white guy who lives in ******ia, originally from Philadelphia.

It's time to grow the **** up and quit hollering that this is a "racial" hatred of some sort, it's a fight promotion thing and nothing more.

I can't blame some of you though, the racial angle is practically all you have to ***** about on Hopkins'. At 43 years of age he's still considered a top 5 pound for pound fighter in the sport who's 4 losses have all been razor thin decisions that could've gone either way. There's nothing to hate on him for professionally because he's done everything right. Then again, so has Mayweather and you guys are still bitching about him too..........

he was way out of line, people have a right to be offended, and i dont care if you are white and are fine with it, you are just an idiot.

[Knicksman20]

Beating Kessler is much more impressive than losing to Taylor or Pavlik. It's more impressive than beating Taylor or Pavlik.

Now if you're like some others and didn't know Kessler before this year, you can't comment because you haven't followed boxing globally.

I agree with you. The way Cal beat Kessler impressed the hell outta me. Kessler was a legitimate young beltholder that Cal made look like a newie after the first 5/6 rounds.

[kayjay]

I agree with you. The way Cal beat Kessler impressed the hell outta me. Kessler was a legitimate young beltholder that Cal made look like a newie after the first 5/6 rounds.

I kind of like Taylor and Pavlik. They're good fighter with lots of solid attributes, but they didn't quite fight at that same level.

Hop at one point was rightfully near the top, but a p4p list has to be updated, based on quality of recent performance. It's not a career highlight list

[ßringer]

Yeah I was trying to exclude the smaller fighters, because I don't feel qualified to rate them.

If you don't feel qualified to rate them, then I don't think you should be making lists of the best fighters out there today. Because if you've never seen Juan Manuel Marquez or his brother Rafael fight, then not only are you missing brilliant boxers fight big fights, but you're not following the best boxers out there.

Beating Kessler is much more impressive than losing to Taylor or Pavlik. It's more impressive than beating Taylor or Pavlik.

I followed Kessler's career, pre-Calzaghe and I always thought watching him fight was like watching Robocop try to box. The guy is a ****ing robot with skin, and while he was a Champion, he never beat anybody who was very good at anything. Librado Andrade is his best opponet to date, and even Andrade is a B class fighter.

Just because he was a Champion, doesn't mean he should be held in higher regard. For christ's sake Cory Spinks is a world champion and he averages around 5 punches per round.