MayWeather, Calderon & Guzman

[Mozza]

So you will take Hatton vs. Maragrito. What do you use??? Monopoly fake money???

Nothing in other words.

[MaFu MoFo]

Nothing in other words.

Dude, I will put down all the points I will have accumulated by the 8th of Decenmber on a bet agaisnt Hatton. If you truely believe Hatton is that good. I will be editing my sig before the fight. Are you on???


Anyway... Hatton will lose to MayWeather, ODLH, Cotto, Margarito, PAul Williams, Kermit Cintron, Clottey, Chavez Jr., Judah, Baldomir, Quinata, and even Collazo if they fight again...

[GunStar]

1) Ok, about Guzman, we basicly disagree on the Soto fight. No problema amiga.

WTF??

2) I really don't care on which team is stating the truth, but MayWeather had had the chance to fight Margarito and Cotto, but he never did. Instead he went for Baldomir and ODLH and then retire. Then he came back to fight Hatton at 147, where Hatton failed to make an impact agaisnt Collazo. I am not a hater, but those are facts we can't deny nor ignore. I don't remember where, but I read Floyd said he won't fight Cotto, who clearly is the best out there after Mayweather.

Now you're sounding like some Margarito butt-munchers, Lets not go there. Baldy was the #1 guy in the division that was the reason he fought him and Delahoya is a no brainer. Cotto is becoming a name and we should see the fight in the near future if Mayweather beats hatton. That is if Cotto is ready for Mayweather, they were not ready for Mayweather 2 years ago so they should be now.

About the chin, well he has not been connected badly in his last 5 fights. Judah did hurt him and Judah don't got the most powerful punch out there. Maybe, I am just a little disappointed on Floyds last couple of fights and decisions. Maybe, my mind is clouded because of it. Maybe, you are right.... then again, you might be also wrong. Let's freeze this one up until the 8th and what to see what happens with Floyd. Only time will tell who is right.

Mayweather been down once and that was a questionable knockdown after he hurt his hand against Hernandez. So far he's has not shown anyone that he has a questionable chin.

3) The division is NOT THAT WEAK, it is understimate and not as exposed as other heavier divisions. Anyway, if you are 108 pouns facing a 120 pounds opponent who fights like a raging bull and you win by decision, you are very good of a fighter, who deserves the most respect. No matter your ethnic background.

The division is pretty weak besides and it doesn't help he's fighting in the light flyweight division, most people don't know what light flyweight is.

[PRboxingfan]

MayWeather, Calderon & Guzman are boxers that some of you don't respect because of their styles. They have been call "runners", "chickens", "cowards", etc... even myself included.

Out of these 3, I don't have much respect for Joan Guzman because he does a great fight during the first 7-8-9 rounds and then runs. Agaisnt Soto, Guzman showed he was the fastest, most accurate, had more speed, the best one, period. I believed Guzman has the power to KO Soto. So instead of setting his rythm and better skills to knock Soto, he chose to run. During the last 2 rounds, Joan even turned his back to Soto. He really looked like he was running away from Soto. Pathetic. I don't know if it is his strategy to stay fresh for the future, but God knows he is good and should face better challengers to get my full respect.


In the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best P4P as seen by most experts, period. He got speed, fast accurate punching, decent power, but a questionable chin. Floyd has gotten used to winning by points rather than by KO. In the last couple of fights, after winning by TKO agaisnt Gatti, Mitchell and Bruiseles... he outboxed Judah and won fair and square. Then the last 2 fights, Baldomir and ODLH are way too different. I understand his running agaisnt ODLH, who may be washed off, but ODLH still got skills, experince and above average speed and power. Oscar could had KO Floyd. But the performance agaisnt Baldomir is a shame. Baldomir is hard to KO, that's a obvious one, still he could had a better fight agaisnt a far lesser opponent. I did not respected his performance agaisnt Baldomir nor I respect the way he picks opponenets that are less of a challenge. As long as Floyd keeps evading better opponents, he will have an asterisk next to his record and NO LEGACY.

Last but not least, Ivan "IronBoy" Calderon is undefeated after taking most of the available challenges out there. His fight agaisnt Cazeres was an excellent display of boxing. Cazeres was the bigger, the more powerful opponent in the bout. (arguably the best fighter too) Still, Calderon skills showed he was the better boxer. Ivan was like a bull rider that night and clearly won the fight. Last Staurday against Esquer, he had another great night. Esquer pressured Ivan the whole fight and he constantly outboxed Esquer. There were a few rounds where Calderon stood up and fouhgt, in others he simply became the "untouchable". It takes lots of boxing skills to make the opponent connect 6% of jabs and 18% of power punches, specially when the fighter is full speed ahead on your ass. The little boricua has done what Guzman and Mayweather had done so far, but in his case, Calderon has done it agaisnt the best competition out there. If he unifies the 108 division, that will count for a Leagacy.


No matter their styles, boxers should take advantage in what they do best. No matter if the fighter is a runner, a brawler, or has superior power or speed... as long as they face the best available opponents out there they should be respected, period. So critzy their styles and make solid opinions about it, just stop the hate because some fighters don't go for a KO.

First on Guzman: He chose to fight an evasive style when he thought he had the fight in the bag (and did). I can't blame him for not wanting to take punishment when he didn't have to. He was clearly winning the fight and if he had stood toe-to-toe with Soto and somehow got KD or KO'd, everyone would be saying what a moron he was for not staying away. I think he did the right thing.

On Mayweather, who else is out there for him to fight? Margarito? Please. Do you really think Margarito is more dangerous than DLH? I don't. Hatton is THE champion at 140. There is no shame in taking on a big Jr. Welterweight when Floyd himself is a small Welterweight (hell, he's even a small Jr. Welterweight). Nope, Floyd is the naturally smaller guy in this fight and he's still taking **** for it.

Calderon has done what needs to be done. Just as he's able to control those pressure fighters, Floyd will be able to control Hatton. You guys forget that Floyd has all the skills Calderon has and will put them to good use come December 8th. BTW, Calderon should be higher in the p4P rankings, maybe 12-13.

[MaFu MoFo]

1) Now you're sounding like some Margarito butt-munchers, Lets not go there. Baldy was the #1 guy in the division that was the reason he fought him and Delahoya is a no brainer. Cotto is becoming a name and we should see the fight in the near future if Mayweather beats hatton. That is if Cotto is ready for Mayweather, they were not ready for Mayweather 2 years ago so they should be now.

The division is pretty weak besides and it doesn't help he's fighting in the light flyweight division, most people don't know what light flyweight is.

1) First of all, I believe Margarito is good, but vastly over-rated by our mexicans brothers. 2nd, I agree Cotto was not ready 2 years ago. Now he is ready and willing to put an end to the expectation. I dream every night about this fight. It should be a great one with the best man standing.

2) If Calderon fights Solis and Sosa on PPv or HBO/ShowTime... people will start to appreciate better these little boxers. I know real boxing fans do.

[Mozza]

Dude, I will put down all the points I will have accumulated by the 8th of Decenmber on a bet agaisnt Hatton. If you truely believe Hatton is that good. I will be editing my sig before the fight. Are you on???


Anyway... Hatton will lose to MayWeather, ODLH, Cotto, Margarito, PAul Williams, Kermit Cintron, Clottey, Chavez Jr., Judah, Baldomir, Quinata, and even Collazo if they fight again...

I have all my points used up on Hatton v Mayweather I'm afraid.

I can't quite believe that list. Basically you have named every welterweight you can think of and said that they will beat Hatton - this is nonsense. Having the temerity to put names like Baldomir, Clottey, Chavez Jr, Collazo and Quintana says it all really.

[GunStar]

1) First of all, I believe Margarito is good, but vastly over-rated by our mexicans brothers. 2nd, I agree Cotto was not ready 2 years ago. Now he is ready and willing to put an end to the expectation. I dream every night about this fight. It should be a great one with the best man standing.

2) If Calderon fights Solis and Sosa on PPv or HBO/ShowTime... people will start to appreciate better these little boxers. I know real boxing fans do.

Agreed!

[MaFu MoFo]

He was clearly winning the fight and if he had stood toe-to-toe with Soto and somehow got KD or KO'd, everyone would be saying what a moron he was for not staying away. I think he did the right thing.

On Mayweather, who else is out there for him to fight? Margarito? Please. Do you really think Margarito is more dangerous than DLH? I don't. Hatton is THE champion at 140. There is no shame in taking on a big Jr. Welterweight when Floyd himself is a small Welterweight (hell, he's even a small Jr. Welterweight). Nope, Floyd is the naturally smaller guy in this fight and he's still taking **** for it.

Calderon has done what needs to be done. Just as he's able to control those pressure fighters, Floyd will be able to control Hatton. You guys forget that Floyd has all the skills Calderon has and will put them to good use come December 8th. BTW, Calderon should be higher in the p4P rankings, maybe 12-13.

I basicly respect your opinion and lack of hate on your posts. I just wanted Guzman to KO Soto so bad... In another issue, if MayWeather publicly refuses to fight Cotto using the Arum issua as an excuse, will you still respect him and have high regards on him???

[MaFu MoFo]

I have all my points used up on Hatton v Mayweather I'm afraid.

I can't quite believe that list. Basically you have named every welterweight you can think of and said that they will beat Hatton - this is nonsense. Having the temerity to put names like Baldomir, Clottey, Chavez Jr, Collazo and Quintana says it all really.

I just went on, and on, and on... LOL!!! Still I stand by it. make it 147 or 140... Hatton loses to these boxers, period.

[eazy_mas]

MayWeather, Calderon & Guzman are boxers that some of you don't respect because of their styles. They have been call "runners", "chickens", "cowards", etc... even myself included.

Out of these 3, I don't have much respect for Joan Guzman because he does a great fight during the first 7-8-9 rounds and then runs. Agaisnt Soto, Guzman showed he was the fastest, most accurate, had more speed, the best one, period. I believed Guzman has the power to KO Soto. So instead of setting his rythm and better skills to knock Soto, he chose to run. During the last 2 rounds, Joan even turned his back to Soto. He really looked like he was running away from Soto. Pathetic. I don't know if it is his strategy to stay fresh for the future, but God knows he is good and should face better challengers to get my full respect.


In the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best P4P as seen by most experts, period. He got speed, fast accurate punching, decent power, but a questionable chin. Floyd has gotten used to winning by points rather than by KO. In the last couple of fights, after winning by TKO agaisnt Gatti, Mitchell and Bruiseles... he outboxed Judah and won fair and square. Then the last 2 fights, Baldomir and ODLH are way too different. I understand his running agaisnt ODLH, who may be washed off, but ODLH still got skills, experince and above average speed and power. Oscar could had KO Floyd. But the performance agaisnt Baldomir is a shame. Baldomir is hard to KO, that's a obvious one, still he could had a better fight agaisnt a far lesser opponent. I did not respected his performance agaisnt Baldomir nor I respect the way he picks opponenets that are less of a challenge. As long as Floyd keeps evading better opponents, he will have an asterisk next to his record and NO LEGACY.

Last but not least, Ivan "IronBoy" Calderon is undefeated after taking most of the available challenges out there. His fight agaisnt Cazeres was an excellent display of boxing. Cazeres was the bigger, the more powerful opponent in the bout. (arguably the best fighter too) Still, Calderon skills showed he was the better boxer. Ivan was like a bull rider that night and clearly won the fight. Last Staurday against Esquer, he had another great night. Esquer pressured Ivan the whole fight and he constantly outboxed Esquer. There were a few rounds where Calderon stood up and fouhgt, in others he simply became the "untouchable". It takes lots of boxing skills to make the opponent connect 6% of jabs and 18% of power punches, specially when the fighter is full speed ahead on your ass. The little boricua has done what Guzman and Mayweather had done so far, but in his case, Calderon has done it agaisnt the best competition out there. If he unifies the 108 division, that will count for a Leagacy.


No matter their styles, boxers should take advantage in what they do best. No matter if the fighter is a runner, a brawler, or has superior power or speed... as long as they face the best available opponents out there they should be respected, period. So critzy their styles and make solid opinions about it, just stop the hate because some fighters don't go for a KO.

first time I see someone critizing box based on abit of facts.

But to be fair there is alway someone Floyd could have fought. If he fought Cotto they would say he should fight Hatton visa versa.

There is couple of factors in boxing you forgot:

Injuries: Even if you are fighting a less impressive oppenet there is alway a possiablity of career threaten injury to the hands.

Business and boxing politics: These things you cant really tell. Sometimes a fight looks good but it hard to make because you got to have acceptance of the ABC titles organization, HBO or Showtime, Promoters...etc many and many stuff that should accept. And fighter are only made couple of time per years and if you reach to the top you reduce it to 1 or 2 per year.