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  • MaFu MoFo
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    MayWeather, Calderon & Guzman

    MayWeather, Calderon & Guzman are boxers that some of you don't respect because of their styles. They have been call "runners", "chickens", "cowards", etc... even myself included.

    Out of these 3, I don't have much respect for Joan Guzman because he does a great fight during the first 7-8-9 rounds and then runs. Agaisnt Soto, Guzman showed he was the fastest, most accurate, had more speed, the best one, period. I believed Guzman has the power to KO Soto. So instead of setting his rythm and better skills to knock Soto, he chose to run. During the last 2 rounds, Joan even turned his back to Soto. He really looked like he was running away from Soto. Pathetic. I don't know if it is his strategy to stay fresh for the future, but God knows he is good and should face better challengers to get my full respect.


    In the other hand, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best P4P as seen by most experts, period. He got speed, fast accurate punching, decent power, but a questionable chin. Floyd has gotten used to winning by points rather than by KO. In the last couple of fights, after winning by TKO agaisnt Gatti, Mitchell and Bruiseles... he outboxed Judah and won fair and square. Then the last 2 fights, Baldomir and ODLH are way too different. I understand his running agaisnt ODLH, who may be washed off, but ODLH still got skills, experince and above average speed and power. Oscar could had KO Floyd. But the performance agaisnt Baldomir is a shame. Baldomir is hard to KO, that's a obvious one, still he could had a better fight agaisnt a far lesser opponent. I did not respected his performance agaisnt Baldomir nor I respect the way he picks opponenets that are less of a challenge. As long as Floyd keeps evading better opponents, he will have an asterisk next to his record and NO LEGACY.

    Last but not least, Ivan "IronBoy" Calderon is undefeated after taking most of the available challenges out there. His fight agaisnt Cazeres was an excellent display of boxing. Cazeres was the bigger, the more powerful opponent in the bout. (arguably the best fighter too) Still, Calderon skills showed he was the better boxer. Ivan was like a bull rider that night and clearly won the fight. Last Staurday against Esquer, he had another great night. Esquer pressured Ivan the whole fight and he constantly outboxed Esquer. There were a few rounds where Calderon stood up and fouhgt, in others he simply became the "untouchable". It takes lots of boxing skills to make the opponent connect 6% of jabs and 18% of power punches, specially when the fighter is full speed ahead on your ass. The little boricua has done what Guzman and Mayweather had done so far, but in his case, Calderon has done it agaisnt the best competition out there. If he unifies the 108 division, that will count for a Leagacy.


    No matter their styles, boxers should take advantage in what they do best. No matter if the fighter is a runner, a brawler, or has superior power or speed... as long as they face the best available opponents out there they should be respected, period. So critzy their styles and make solid opinions about it, just stop the hate because some fighters don't go for a KO.
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    DAMN GOOD THREAD! Some I agree with and some I don't. Especially the Mayweather bit, I mean he shut him out 12-0 11-1 10-2, you can't get much better than that other than the TKO. That being said a fighter should do WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM. If you can use your superior speed, reflexes, and athletic ability to win your bouts do so and do so to outclass your opponents and show that very skill in the ring.

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    • MaFu MoFo
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      I forgot to mention that Floyd is superior to Hatton and got what it takes to not only outbox Hatton, but KO his ass too. He is underestimating Hatton more than I expect it. Hatton is not going to stay put and wait for mayweather to fight, Hatton will bring it for a couple of rounds and spend the rest of the fight trying to catch up with Floyd just to hug him like a bear.

      I believe MayWeather will win the fight, but if he runs from Hatton, no matter if he wins, he doesn't deserves respect for the win. There is no excuse, the fight should be like taking a candy away NOT FROM A BABY BUT from a hungry toddler without his pacifier.


      As a side note, Mayweather must adjust his trunks very tightly. Hatton may just pull Floyds pants down on his way to the canvas. Hatton is a hugger.

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      • GunStar
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        I respect and like all 3 fighters but I don't agree with your post at all. You try to put Guzman and Mayweather down but not Calderon, cause he's Puerto Rican.

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          Originally posted by GunStar
          I respect and like all 3 fighters but I don't agree with your post at all. You try to put Guzman and Mayweather down but not Calderon, cause he's Puerto Rican.
          In other words, you believe...

          1) Guzman could never KO Soto.

          2) MayWeather is not the best P4P and has fought the best available challenges like Baldomir, instead of the lesser opponents like Margarito and Cotto.

          3) Calderon is superior to Cazeres and has not fight agaisnt the best available opponents.


          It's not only that I am BORICUA, but it is the true, if not then prove me other wise and I will accept I was wrong.

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            I'm a half-Dominican Puerto Rican, and I know that Mayweather on his worst day is a million times better than Guzman and Calderon on their best. Their styles are very different as well. As much as haters say Mayweather runs, he does no such thing, while Calderon and Guzman DO run on many occassions. They are not half as skilled as Floyd defensively and do not carry nearly as much power. Mayweather has beaten top guys convincingly and Guzman and Calderon have struggled with bums. Guzman got constantly tagged with right hands against Antonio Davis and Calderon nearly lost to a prospect from Colombia nobody had heard of.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MaFu MoFo
              In other words, you believe...

              1) Guzman could never KO Soto.
              After seeing the way Soto took his punches, hell ****ing no, Guzman does not have the power to KO Soto.
              Originally posted by MaFu MoFo
              2) MayWeather is not the best P4P and has fought the best available challenges like Baldomir, instead of the lesser opponents like Margarito and Cotto.
              Who has Mayweather ducked?? And how is Mayweather's chin is questionable?? How in the hell he will have an asterisk next to his record?
              Originally posted by MaFu MoFo
              3) Calderon is superior to Cazeres and has not fight agaisnt the best available opponents.


              It's not only that I am BORICUA, but it is the true, if not then prove me other wise and I will accept I was wrong.
              I love Calderon but he is fighting in a weak division. If Mayweather and Guzman were Puerto Rican then you would've been proud of all 3 guys, it's seems to me that you're only proud of Calderon cause he's a Boricua.

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              • MaFu MoFo
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                Originally posted by tito yuca
                I'm a half-Dominican Puerto Rican, and I know that Mayweather on his worst day is a million times better than Guzman and Calderon on their best. Their styles are very different as well. As much as haters say Mayweather runs, he does no such thing, while Calderon and Guzman DO run on many occassions. They are not half as skilled as Floyd defensively and do not carry nearly as much power. Mayweather has beaten top guys convincingly and Guzman and Calderon have struggled with bums. Guzman got constantly tagged with right hands against Antonio Davis and Calderon nearly lost to a prospect from Colombia nobody had heard of.

                Oye Yuca, everyone has a bad night, period. You are right when you say MayWeather is by far the best of these 3. But people in here are giving them too much hate, instead of recognizing their skills and accepting the fact that they are undefeated champs. Joan is great, but needs to make a statement agaisnt lesser opponents. Mayweather needs to fight better opponents, NOONE CAN'T ARGUE THAT. Calderon's ride has been bumpy, but has shown more heart and courage than the other 2. I like the THREE of them. I am just putting my opinion out there in order to have intelligent conversations and not be answering hate threads and posts. For example, I respect your point of view, YOUR OPINION. I don't expect to be the only truthful guy in the forum.

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                  i respect them all....i like all of them to certain degree...and i think highly of Mayweather's, Guzman's and Calderon's skill......however i dislike the praise they get.......especially Claderon who is the one who plays defense the most IMO and gets hit more cleanly than the other two against lesser caliber fighters...not to mention the fact that he has not looked good at all in my eyes against the wild as **** cazares, a razor thin decision against Barrera and a harder than expected fight against esquer..honestly i wouldnt have a problem with him if people didnt blow his accomplishments and skill out of proportion......i think edgar sosa will KO him easily...

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                    Originally posted by MaFu MoFo
                    Oye Yuca, everyone has a bad night, period. You are right when you say MayWeather is by far the best of these 3. But people in here are giving them too much hate, instead of recognizing their skills and accepting the fact that they are undefeated champs. Joan is great, but needs to make a statement agaisnt lesser opponents. Mayweather needs to fight better opponents, NOONE CAN'T ARGUE THAT. Calderon's ride has been bumpy, but has shown more heart and courage than the other 2. I like the THREE of them. I am just putting my opinion out there in order to have intelligent conversations and not be answering hate threads and posts. For example, I respect your point of view, YOUR OPINION. I don't expect to be the only truthful guy in the forum.
                    Well, you critized Mayweather a lot, and almost everything you said about Calderon and Guzman was positive. I recognize they are skilled, but they are both very overrated and do not deserve to be anywhere near a P4P list. You say Calderon has the most heart and courage, and there is no way of knowing this, because Floyd has never been in trouble like Calderon has. You also said Floyd has a questionable chin and this is ludicrous, he always fights with bigger men and has never been knocked down in his career. Not even against guys who outweigh him by 15-20 have been able to hurt him.

                    Calderon just fought a dude who was ranked 47 by boxrec. FORTY SEVEN. Floyd's last three fights have been Baldomir (#1 at 147), Oscar (#1 at 154) and Hatton (# at 140) and you say HE is the one who is fighting lesser opponents? Give me a break.

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