Hopkins running from Calzaghe again

[ßringer]

so are you wrong about 50k seats is less than 200k ppv in your estimation? YES.

calzaghe aint ppv because he aitn american. it is his or frank warrens fault for not going to america. maybe hopkins did price himself out 4 years ago who knows?

if joe was born in america he would get much more hype than pavlik. that is my opinion. if calzaghe was american then i think he would already get the opportunities to fight bigger names. he would be world famous althoguh perhaps with 2 or 3 losses.

joe has only just gone on hbo. it was with the bika fight which was ****.

joe vs lacy was on showtime which aint as good as hbo. the manfredo fight was a joke that i didnt want for joe but if it did get some exposure then good for him.

That is the most ludacris **** I've ever read. Last time I checked huge PPV stars Miguel Cotto, Felix Trinidad, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao weren't Americans either.

Face it, Calzaghe isn't PPV because nobody ****ing knows him. It's a sad fact because Joe is one hell of a gifted fighter and athlete, but he has no career defining performances aside from Lacy and Kessler (two guys the public didn't even know existed), that would make him PPV material.

[Unseen]

Lmao, thats all you got? acutally he had the IBO, dont know if he's got rid of it.

You still telling me Setanta Sports makes real money, 200k subscribers, paying £9.99, even if EVERY SINGLE SUBSCRIBER BOUGHT HIS FIGHTS, the money would still be ****.

erm okay so the ibo belt? i'm pretty sure that's what will really get the fans excited? you most likely assumed hopkins had a better belt because obviously you nkow **** all about him.

no i didn;t say sentanta makes real money. i said 4 million dollars. from 200k people.

i said that 50k seats make mroe money than 200k ppv. which you didnt think so.

yes i agree hopkins is a big name. joe is obviously a bigger name than in previous years if hopkins wanted to call him out now. i mean hopkins could fight a winky again or call out someone who isn't remotely famous at all in joe and generate no ppv's at all...

nah hopkins is smart and realises joe must be someone big now that he wants to call him out after the winky fight.

[ßringer]

Well, I don't think Joe needs Bernard to cement his legacy. Beating Bernard would certainly help, but Joe doesn't have to have Hopkins on his resume to do it. Undefeated champ for 10+ years speaks for itself.

Level of competition my friend. Hopkins would not be where he's at today if not for Tito, Oscar, Tarver and Winky. Because even though both had sucessful defenses against solid opponets like a Lacy or Eastman, no standouts means no legacy.

[Unseen]

That is the most ludacris **** I've ever read. Last time I checked huged PPV stars Miguel Cotto, Felix Trinidad, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao weren't Americans either.

Face it, Calzaghe isn't PPV because nobody ****ing knows him. It's a sad fact because Joe is one hell of a gifted fighter and athlete, but he has no career defining performances aside from Lacy and Kessler (two guys the public didn't even know existed), that would make him PPV material.

yeah in that context i meant if he was american born he would be more famous in america. i mean how many welsh peopel live in america

i mean you have lots of immigrants in america that buy ppv's too i assume. i may be wrong on that. those guys have trained in america and so on too.

[Wiley Hyena]

That is the most ludacris **** I've ever read. Last time I checked huge PPV stars Miguel Cotto, Felix Trinidad, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao weren't Americans either.

Face it, Calzaghe isn't PPV because nobody ****ing knows him. It's a sad fact because Joe is one hell of a gifted fighter and athlete, but he has no career defining performances aside from Lacy and Kessler (two guys the public didn't even know existed), that would make him PPV material.

I think the point is that Calzaghe may NOW be PPV material.

[ßringer]

I think the point is that Calzaghe may NOW be PPV material.

Maybe, you even said "may". So we'll just have to wait and see on that one, doesn't change the fact that Hopkins has been on PPV for years. And I know the fight against Wright ******, but prior to that on PPV he had Tarver and that was a brilliant ****ing performance in my eyes against the #1 regarded Light Heavy in the World.

[Technical_Skill]

so are you wrong about 50k seats is less than 200k ppv in your estimation? YES.

calzaghe aint ppv because he aitn american. it is his or frank warrens fault for not going to america. maybe hopkins did price himself out 4 years ago who knows?

if joe was born in america he would get much more hype than pavlik. that is my opinion. if calzaghe was american then i think he would already get the opportunities to fight bigger names. he would be world famous althoguh perhaps with 2 or 3 losses.

joe has only just gone on hbo. it was with the bika fight which was ****.

joe vs lacy was on showtime which aint as good as hbo. the manfredo fight was a joke that i didnt want for joe but if it did get some exposure then good for him.

When you talk about money you add on the PPV sales, this is how boxing works.

Fighters get some money PLUS PPV SALES, now.

If your thinking that i am suggesting Bernard Hopkins only gets PPV money and nothing else, then you are in need of serious help.

The same way if you are implying the only way a fight makes money is through PPV alone, then you would also need serious help.

Now, heres an example. Floyd Mayweather made 8 million dollars for baldomir before the PPV money.

The casino's spend MILLIONS on a fight to have it staged there as they make the money back through the masses of people, who book expenisive hotels and spend thousands over the weekend

The seats at some of the big fights are worth THOUSANDS not £120.

And to add to that, 200,000 is average numbers for a big name,

Now you take the 200,000 PPV sales and add them on the rest of the money the fighters/fight makes, and thats why is the USA the place to fight.

Now, are you still saying Setanta sports and BBC can match that?

To finish off, even the IDIOT STEVE BUNTZ said in an interview with the man himself Joe calzaghe NEXT TO HIM, the Hopkins fights would make loads more money for calzaghe IN AMERICA than ever before.

He said two things.

PPV money would go through the roof, and possible casino money.

Thank you.

[ßringer]

The bottom line is this : Joe needs this fight more than Calzaghe, for his Worldwide legacy. He can retire now and be an all time great in the history of British boxing, and a legend in the Welsh community. But Worldwide he'll be seen as "that guy". Hopkins doesn't need Calzaghe, because his legacy is intact and he can easily find someone else who wants to fight him.

[Wiley Hyena]

Maybe, you even said "may". So we'll just have to wait and see on that one, doesn't change the fact that Hopkins has been on PPV for years. And I know the fight against Wright ******, but prior to that on PPV he had Tarver and that was a brilliant ****ing performance in my eyes against the #1 regarded Light Heavy in the World.

Yes...of course I said "may". Until the results of some marketing analysis is released or until Cal's next fight, we won't know.

I've listened to all the arguments here. It's still my opinion that a 60-40 split in favor of Bernard and in America or no fight indicates that Bernard would just as soon not have to fight Calzaghe. I think it would be funny as hell if Joe indicated that he would accept that insulting offer. See what Bernard pulls next.

[ßringer]

Yes...of course I said "may". Until the results of some marketing analysis is released or until Cal's next fight, we won't know.

I've listened to all the arguments here. It's still my opinion that a 60-40 split in favor of Bernard and in America or no fight indicates that Bernard would just as soon not have to fight Calzaghe. I think it would be funny as hell if Joe indicated that he would accept that insulting offer. See what Bernard pulls next.

If that happens and Bernard backs out you have every right to call him a *****. And you won't hear me argue anything to the contrary. Both fighters have been stubborn with negotiations in the past, and been labelled as duckers. Both to Roy Jones Jr.

Frankly, I'd like to see my boy Hopkins go to Wales and beat Joe in a street fight for 12 rounds using his typical tactics and win a decision. I'd pay double for that.